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Old 02-18-2006, 03:02 PM
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So, a guy is ready to pony up for a Kodiak Island bear hunt and wants to go out and buy a new rifle just for this hunt. He knows the 375 H&H has killed every dangerous game animal on the planet with enough regularity to establish it as a tool that's more than merely adequate to the task. Its a solid killer. BUT, he's heard stories about those vaunted 40 caliber guns and starts to thinking about going big. The 375 tosses a 300 gr. bullet at 2500 fps and that ain't nuth'n to sniff at. The 416 Rigby, on the other hand, launches a 400 gr. bullet at 2400 fps and that's doggoned impressive BUT, is it enough of a difference to put up with the added weight and recoil? Some think not. They say that if you're soing to go bigger than the 375 then you'd be wiser to jump to the 458 Winchester and let its 500 gr. bullet set sail at 2150 fps. Whatta you guys think?
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Old 02-18-2006, 06:55 PM
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Hey, Dusty Miller I promise you that there is not an animal on earth that can handle a 525 bear tooth bullet moving at 1500 fps. That load will out penetrate any 458 winchester mag load. I can say that with confidence and experience with both guns. That load in lever action combined with very quick follow up shots, can't be denied. I have not shot brown bear but have harvested several buffalo one weighing 2300 lbs. and the bullets always completely penetrated the animals breaking both shoulders. I think thats the key to large animal hunting, to break the animal down with shots to weight bearing bones.
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Old 02-18-2006, 09:06 PM
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I don't believe you would be undergunned with either one. Lots of bear hunters in AK using the 338 Win mag. I think if you ask the folks guiding you they would say shoot the biggest you can make accurate shots with.

A fella with a 416 that can't hit the side of the barn with it is better off with a .338 that he can accurately place shots in the kill zone.
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Old 02-18-2006, 09:21 PM
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I've got a Rigby in a CZ550 and the recoil is a pronounced step above the H&H in my opinion. It is a difficult rifle for me to shoot well. I don't shoot if off the bench unless I can stand upright when doing so. Another factor that might or might not matter to you is that the factory ammo is all in excess of $100/box, but I hear Hornady is coming out with a couple loadings. I'm betting they'll be half the cost.

You have to practice pretty regular with the big boomers to be proficient in my opinion, so ammo cost/availability and the recoil might factor into what you get. I feel pretty good if I get a box of shells fired without getting a headache, that would be shooting offhand. I haven't gotten the balls up to shoot it from the prone yet.

I think that most anyone can shoot a .375 H&H well with practice.

Faucett is certainly on the mark with his advice on accuarcy vs. power. You'll have a guide to back you up in any event, not that you want to rely on that.
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Old 02-18-2006, 09:37 PM
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I'd go with the 375, myself. The 416 is definitely a step up, but at a cost. Increase in rifle weight, increase in rifle size, increase in cost, increase in recoil, increase in cost of ammunition (factory or handloads).

If you are comfortable with the increase costs of shooting the 416 (or if it makes no difference to you), I'd go to a gunstore that had both and handle them side by side. Pick the one you like best. Either will handle a big Kodiak brownie. It will be easier to find 375 H&H ammunition in some backwater hamlet than 416's if your luggage with your ammo goes missing.

Both are great cartridges with long, storied and legendary histories. I would never try to dissuade someone from getting either. Get the one that the rifle works the best for you.
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:23 PM
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I have both. Love them both too. Alyeska is right on when he says that losing your ammo in the flight is bad news for the .375 H&H but it means you trip could be over if you need 416 Rigby. About half the retailers in Anchorage carry ammo of one make or another for the 375 H&H. Very, very few carry ammo for the 416 Rigby. Out in the bush? IF you could find it it would probably run higher than the $120 a box it does here in town.

Recoil... Ruger 77mkII 416 Rigby is a good heavy push. The .375 H&H in a Ruger #1H is a faster jab, but not as fast and sharp as that of any .338WM that I have fired. Much more comfortable than a 338WM.

That's just my experience. Your milage may vary.
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Old 03-23-2006, 01:11 PM
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So, a guy is ready to pony up for a Kodiak Island bear hunt and wants to go out and buy a new rifle just for this hunt. He knows the 375 H&H has killed every dangerous game animal on the planet with enough regularity to establish it as a tool that's more than merely adequate to the task. Its a solid killer. BUT, he's heard stories about those vaunted 40 caliber guns and starts to thinking about going big. The 375 tosses a 300 gr. bullet at 2500 fps and that ain't nuth'n to sniff at. The 416 Rigby, on the other hand, launches a 400 gr. bullet at 2400 fps and that's doggoned impressive BUT, is it enough of a difference to put up with the added weight and recoil? Some think not. They say that if you're soing to go bigger than the 375 then you'd be wiser to jump to the 458 Winchester and let its 500 gr. bullet set sail at 2150 fps. Whatta you guys think?
Food for thought Dusty. I lived in Alaska for a number of years, and have alot of guides and pilots for friends. When the guides see outsiders as they call anyone who don't live there show up with elephant guns to hunt bears they cringe. All they think of is having to go in the bush and finish off a wounded bear, because the hunter never practiced enough to get good with his **** blaster. They will make you shoot your gun, and if you flinch, and are generally afraid of the recoil, the only bears you'll see will be far off on purpose, most have families, and are partial on stopping wounded bears. You might even be offered a lesser gun in the 30cal class he owns, 300mag etc, if you can shoot it better he'll put you on a good bear, and out 1 to 3 hundred yards it'll do the job through the ribs. After all you're there to hunt and get a bear, not stop charges or wound them. He wants you to score, word of mouth is his bread and butter. Now don't get me wrong, if you're one of those folks thats comfortable shooting the big magnums, shoot them alot, and are good with them, then God bless you, go for it. If not then drop it down a notch or two, say 338, or the new 325, or like I said early one of the 30cal mags. It's an expensive hunt, don't let magnum mania ruin it for you and him!!!
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Lot of good advise here ! I have a long association with the 375 H&H .It's a honest working rifle that hits hard .Practice makes perfect though . A bad shot with a 20mm cannon is going to be as ,as bad as a bad shot with a 375 or a 7mm mag ! Bullet placement is paramount ! I wonder if the 338 with a well placed bullet would'nt do the job?

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Dusty,

IMHO, both of these are a lot more gun and weight than you need for the job. The weight difference will make itself felt going up and down the hills of Kodiak Isle. The .338 Win Mag with a good 250 grain bullet will be more than enough for the job. Plus, will also work on elk with some of the lighter bullets, such as the 210 grain Nosler Partition. Good luck.
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Dusty Miller, if I were you, I would try to find me a .416 model 70 in the Remington version. The shells are much cheaper than the Rigby by $45 dollars a box last time I looked.

The recoil is a little heavier shooting in the field for practice but trust me on this, once you spot that bear you will not feel that recoil. You don't need those 400 grainers either, a 350 grain jacketed bullet such as those Trophy Bonded Bear Claws, Swift A Frames or Barnes TSX and no bear if hit right is going very far.

Now as far as the .375H&H goes I have one and it is a great rifle caliber too. However, I would choose the .416 over it hunting dangerous game. Once again is you cannot handle the recoil, then by all means go the .375H&H route.
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Old 05-26-2006, 08:52 AM
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I have a pair of Interarms Mark X Whitworth actioned rifles . One is 375 H&H MAG and the other is 416 REM MAG .
If you are not overly familiar with the heavy hitters , I would say go with the 375 .
I shoot 260 grain bullets in the 375 and 350 grainers in the 416 . And let me tell you their is a difference.
Also if you decide to go with the 416 after all you will notice a sizable difference in recoil between the 350 and 400 grain bullets.From the bench I can shoot 2 or 3 three shot groups with the 350's before it gets noticable . With the 400's three SHOTS and it's noticable.
I have shot sub 1" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with both rifles, so the accuracy is there . You just have to be able to hold them
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:28 PM
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I own both a 375 H&H and a 416 Rigby. The recoil of the 375 H&H is sharper than the 416 Rigby. The 416 Rigby is more of a big push than a sharp recoil. I can shoot either gun very accurately and shot them both well. I shoot my guns a lot and stay proficient, as far as the cost of ammo, I reload both so the cost is the same, except the initial cost of the 416 Rigby brass is more expensive. If you are worried about losing your ammo in your luggage, put your ammo in two different check bags or a box in a buddies bag and one in your bag. If you land in a big air port in Alaska there are gun shops in most big towns, if for some odd reason your ammo did not make it.

Either round will work, just pick your favorite and shoot it a lot and get very proficient with them, and you won't have a problem.
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:35 PM
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Dusty Miller, if I were you, I would try to find me a .416 model 70 in the Remington version. The shells are much cheaper than the Rigby by $45 dollars a box last time I looked.

The recoil is a little heavier shooting in the field for practice but trust me on this, once you spot that bear you will not feel that recoil. You don't need those 400 grainers either, a 350 grain jacketed bullet such as those Trophy Bonded Bear Claws, Swift A Frames or Barnes TSX and no bear if hit right is going very far.

Now as far as the .375H&H goes I have one and it is a great rifle caliber too. However, I would choose the .416 over it hunting dangerous game. Once again is you cannot handle the recoil, then by all means go the .375H&H route.
Cozy, you run into the same problem with availability of your ammo with the .416 Rem Mag up here as you do with the Rigby. You can't travel on the plane with your ammo and rifle locked in the same box. Lose the luggage with your ammo in it and it can be replaced pretty easily if you are shooting a .375H&H. The 416, either Rigby or rem mag arent as common. Rem mag is marginally easier to find here in Anchorage, but not out of Anchorage.
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How about a .375 RUM??
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Old 08-03-2006, 02:26 PM
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Cozy, It is rare in the good gun shops and I havent seen it at Sportsman's Warehouse here in town. From there, I guess you would be hard pressed to find it anywhere outside Anchorage.

Starting to sound like a real backwater I guess
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Strangely theres a ammo option no one has mentioned . If you have to have one of the 416's be it Rigby or Remington . Why not ship your ammo to your outfitter / guide a month or so before its time for you to leave . Give it plenty time to get there before you do and in a place where you can find out if it arrived .
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I have owned .458 Win, .45-70, .375 h&h, 9.3x62, .338 Win and more. You didn't say specifically, but I assume you will be hunting with a guide (read back-up shooter). That being the case, I would say you should shoot the biggest gun you can shoot well. Load it with quality, high SD bullets and practice a lot. I would not hesitate to use a .30-06 with 220 Noslers to hunt the biggest bears in Alaska.
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I have owned .458 Win, .45-70, .375 h&h, 9.3x62, .338 Win and more. You didn't say specifically, but I assume you will be hunting with a guide (read back-up shooter). That being the case, I would say you should shoot the biggest gun you can shoot well. Load it with quality, high SD bullets and practice a lot. I would not hesitate to use a .30-06 with 220 Noslers to hunt the biggest bears in Alaska.
AK, as we both know, that is what most hunters used back in the 50's for taking Alaska bear and moose. I still have an old tin advertisement of Winchester and their Silver Tip bullets.
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Old 08-20-2006, 03:00 AM
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The 375 tosses a 300 gr. bullet at 2500 fps and that ain't nuth'n to sniff at. The 416 Rigby, on the other hand, launches a 400 gr. bullet at 2400 fps
you can hand load a .416 350 Grn. Barnes X bullet to over 2650fps in theRigby, for around 5400 ft lbs, and it shoots pretty doggone flat out to 300 yds.
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So, a guy is ready to pony up for a Kodiak Island bear hunt and wants to go out and buy a new rifle just for this hunt. He knows the 375 H&H has killed every dangerous game animal on the planet with enough regularity to establish it as a tool that's more than merely adequate to the task. Its a solid killer. BUT, he's heard stories about those vaunted 40 caliber guns and starts to thinking about going big. The 375 tosses a 300 gr. bullet at 2500 fps and that ain't nuth'n to sniff at. The 416 Rigby, on the other hand, launches a 400 gr. bullet at 2400 fps and that's doggoned impressive BUT, is it enough of a difference to put up with the added weight and recoil? Some think not. They say that if you're soing to go bigger than the 375 then you'd be wiser to jump to the 458 Winchester and let its 500 gr. bullet set sail at 2150 fps. Whatta you guys think?
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