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dwebb210
04-04-2004, 08:44 AM
I have posted before about my Sigarms Trailside not
functioning properly because the firing pin wasn't crushing
the rimfire shells enough to fire.

My theory was that the firing pin was too short.
Most other people felt I had a dirty gun causing the bullet
to not fully seat, and not allow for a solid firing pin strike.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it since I last posted.
Yesterday, I finally got out to the range. The gun was
squeeky clean. The barrel had been thoroughly scrubbed
and was shiny smooth. No trace of lead or powder fouling.

There was a misfire on the 6th shot.

I almost threw the gun in the air for use as skeet.

When I got home, I had a pocket full of bullets that had
tiny scuff marks where the firing pin had barely made contact.

I loaded them into a magazine, and started cycling the
gun. I couldn't see any trouble with feeding or chambering.

Then it struck me...

I removed the slide, and grabbed a new box of ammo.

One at a time, I dropped a bullet into the chamber.

Roughly half of them would drop down until the rim hit the
breech. The other half would stick up a little. Some of
these would easily seat with a light touch. Others required
significant force.

A dial micrometer quickly solved that question. Bullet
diameters were all over the place. 0.221 - 0.226.

I did some more measuring and determined that the
chamber must begin to taper just before the bullet engages
the rifling.

Since I was mad enough to take a torch to the gun, I didn't
think I had anything to lose. So I went out to the garage
and found a drill bit with a shank that would fit into the
chamber. The shank of the bit measured 0.228".

I ground the end of the shank to about a 30 degree angle.
I sanded the identification stamp marks down flush with
400 grit sandpaper.

I tested the bit's hardness compared to the gun, and to my
surprise the gun's metal was harder. I heated the bit
red-hot with a torch and water quinched. I polished it again
with 400 grit sandpaper,

The bit wasn't long enough for me to chuck in a drill, so I
found a small steel pipe that I could use as an extension.

Using Beartooth Bullets bullet lapping compound, I slid the
shank of the drill bit into the chamber, and lapped for
about 10 seconds at full drill speed.

I switched to 15 micron diamond polishing compound,
then 6 micron, then 1 micron, then 0.25 micron.

The chamber is mirror smooth again.
Now only about a quarter of the bullets don't fall to the rim
when dropped into the chamber. But they are easily seated
with a light touch.

A trip to the range proved it worked.
Now instead of a misfire every 10 rounds or less,
I got three misfires out of 150 rounds.
And these were due to bad shells. Not due to lack of
firing pin dent.

It could be that using match grade target ammo with more
consistent bullet diameters would have solved the problem.
However, who wants a gun so tempermental. Not me.

In my opinion, this was something I should have left to
a professional gunsmith. But like I said, I was so mad I
didn't care.

I am VERY impressed with the precision to which this gun
was made. But the tight tolerances caused me more
problems than the gun was worth.

Problem solved.

I think I'll keep it now.

Dave

Jonas
04-05-2004, 07:22 AM
Dave!

I was wondering when I'd hear about the results of the new firing pin. Wow, dood...thats alota work. I can see why youre frustrated.
If its any help, I think I'm experiencing the same thing. I've fired all sorts of .22 ammo. Almost 1 round every 2 clips will leave a mark, but not discharge, with one notable exception.
Did I tell you my gun came with a certificate for a brick of Eley's Pistol Target ammo. Well, it finally arrived. VERY smooth. 150 rounds and not a single misfire. So, maybe it is the higher quality that makes all the difference!
Two more notes of interest:

1) The plactic extension on the bottom of my gun eventuall started falling off. IF you over tighten the screw, it'll strip. Crap design, really. Got a new one (free) sent from SIG. Won't use it. Got LarryGuns to send along the 95gr weight instead. Works GREAT. But, it does become unseated if not REALLY tightened.

2) I might have a line on the blue laminate grips. If you're still interested, I recommend finding a local dealer, and seeing if they have a Trailside w/the grips. They might be willing to swap grips. That's my plan...the guy I talked to is having a hard time getting his TRailside to sell. Told him Id take the grips, and he could drop $50 off the price for someone else...


cheers...

jonas

dwebb210
04-05-2004, 07:36 AM
The new firing pin is slightly different than the original.
I actually like it better, but I am still considering a modification.

As I said before, ALL rimfire guns I've seen before,
Including this Trailside, have had warnings about dry firing
causing damage.

The gunsmith at Sigarms even said that the firing pin will
hit the breech and cause damage.

They are all wrong about the Trailside.

If you lay a thin sheet of aluminum foil across the breech
and close the slide, dry firing does not cause a mark on
the foil.

If the pin would reach the breech, it should mark the foil.

This gun is as safe to dry fire as any centerfire.

That being said, I want to modify the firing pin so it WILL
reach the breech. I'll take my chances with the damage if
it is ever dry fired, but I'd rather have the extra reach in
case a shell doesn't seat 100%.

Considering how hard the frame/muzzle/breech is, the
firing pin will get hurt first. I have two extras, so I don't
really care what happens to it.

My muzzle weight creaps forward too, unless I really crank
the set screws down tight. Like you said, it is a crappy
design. Wish I had the money back so I could buy a
Ruger Mark II.

I've given up on the grips.
At first I really loved the gun and wanted to buy the fancy
grips, etc. Then I shot it. I sold the composite grips and
am now using the black synthetics. Wife likes those better
anyway.

Dave