Hey guys, Got a few questions for you. I remember reading on some post about a scope mount that allowed a williams aperature to stay mounted with the scope on. I believe BigRedhead does these. I have an 1894PG that I have a williams Foolproof on and I am thinking about putting a scope on it. Can anyone dirrect me to any pics of that mount. If I remember right you didn't need to use the hammer extension either. I like to put a scope on with Quick Disconnect mounts so I could use the aperture if I wanted to. Another question, what kind of low power variable scope would best suit this mount. I'm sure it would have to be something with a lot of eye relief.

Matt -

I have a 1895LTD1 with Williams Foolproof receiver sights mounted on and also an Ashley (now XS) scout mount with a Burris 2x7 Signature pistol scope mounted. The mount takes the rear sight dovetail on the barrel and the first two tap holes on the front of the receiver to mount. It has Picitinny rails, so you can mount tip-off rings of the Weaver persuasion, if desired.

I don't see the Williams sight or pay attention to the front sight when looking through the scope - doesn't bother the sight picture. With standard Burris or Leupold rings, there is room underneath to use the receiver sight and front sight without removing the scope. My Williams aprature bar sits down almost on the receiver when sighted in for 3" hi grouping at 100 yds.

You can do that with the 336 / 444 / 1895 Marlins, because of the way that the scope base mounts relative to where the receiver sight does (look at Marshall's .444 articles for a picture, just trim about half in inch off of the rear of a Weaver 63B scope base).

But..... this isn't going to work with the 1894, or at least I can't figure out how with mine. The receiver sight goes right where the two rear scope base screws are. Don't know if it's practical to redrill the scope base holes farther forward, as it's a very short action to begin with (at least compared to the 336 et al).

The scout scope concept moves the scope far enough forward to avoid the conflict; but I don't see any way to make this work with a conventional scope, if that's what you are referring to.

Hi mattpair,

I am the creator of the Hunter Scout mount base. It is like a one-piece Weaver base only longer in front. As such, it utilizes all 4 factory d/t holes on top of the receiver. It would be possible to mount a Williams 5D sight on the side of the receiver while the Hunter Scout base is installed, but you would most likely have to remove the upper half of the sight in order to install the scope, and it may be necessary to trim away some material from the scope mount base in order to get the aperture low enough for proper sight-in. It is a good idea though, if one is willing to carry the upper half of the 5D sight separately, or make a hollow in the buttstock for the sight upper half, with a quick-detachable buttplate.

The Hunter Scout idea came about when I got a case of "scope eye" with a Leupold Vari-X II 1-4x20 in a Weaver base on my 1895G. Don't get me wrong, there's no flies on the Leupold scope, and I still use a (modified) Weaver base on one gun. I'm a Leupold fan all the way. But the HS base places the scope rings about 2-1/2 inches farther forward than the Weaver base and is designed to be used with scopes of intermediate eye relief of 5 to 7 inches. The first scope I used in this arrangement was a Burris Compact 1-4 XER. I like the versatility of a variable. Another scope I am currently using is the Simmons 2.5x shotgun scope, which, incidentally, is a rather inexpensive scope (I bought 2 at Wally World for $50 each on clearance). These scopes are mounted just forward of the hammer spur negating the reason for a hammer spur extension. If you get hit in the face by a scope mounted in this fashion, you need a longer buttstock!

Thanks for the quick replies. Looks like I need to go with the XS Leverscout mount on my 1894. I have used that setup before, just wanted to try something different. I may go with a traditional scope mount, I don't know. Big Redhead, thanks for the specs on what would have to be done to make it work with a 1894, looks like more effort than it would be worth to me, thanks anyway. You learn something new everyday.

Matt,

MikeG wrote "You can do that with the 336 / 444 / 1895 Marlins, because of the way that the scope base mounts relative to where the receiver sight does (look at Marshall's .444 articles for a picture, just trim about half in inch off of the rear of a Weaver 63B scope base)."

He is correct.

Dave :)

I'm interested in more info on the hunter/scout mount. Where can more info be obtained? Bones

Oldebones,

I made the Hunterscout for a while for the guys on the old Marlintalk forum. If you want one I'll make you one. Shoot me an email, please. Here's a picture:

http://www.marlinowners.com/gallery/albums/userpics/thumb_scout0001.jpg

Live well

Matpair,

I have been looking at the Williams side mount to use on a Winchester BB94/375. It attaches to the left side of the receiver using the existing screw holes. It is available at midwayusa.com . The rings are offset to the right so that a scope can be mounted rearward over the center axis of the receiver. You can also use the Ashley ghost ring sights which mount to the receiver using the two rearmost base mounting screw holes on the top of the receiver (side eject only). In attaching the mount to a Winchester 94, no D&T is requred since the mount uses existing screw holes. When mounting to a Marlin 336/444/1895, you will have to D&T one screwhole.

I am attaching a photo of the mount and of the rings. If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them.

Midway's part number for the mount is 148233 and for the QC offset rings is 959690.

JJ