Has anyone used this type of scope mount on lever actions. I have considered putting one on me 336 Marlin in 35 rem.

oldpete

This isn't exactly the same thing, but what I ended up with on my 336/.35.  It is set up like Marshall's .444, with a Williams peep right under the objective of the scope, so iron sights can be used simply by removing the scope.

Scope is a Leupold compact 2.5x, which is very quick to use.  Good field of view, eye relief, etc.

One hog to it's credit so far.  Makes a fast handling rig.  I got both the rifle and scope from the Beartooth trading post!

Oldpete;
 Ashley Outdoors Makes a "scout" style mount especially for the 336 and 94.  Looks very rugged.
 www.aosights.com
The price for the Marlin mount is $50.00, and the Winnie's cost is $55.00.
 I just ordered the one for my Winchester, I plan on putting an Aimpoint Comp series red dot on for hunting the NE states
The marlin part # is: 28-2169B-092-2
The Winchester # is:28-2169C-092-3
Hope this helps

Scout mounts are also available from brockmansrifles.com.
Fireplug

Thanks all.

What scopes would work on the scout mount without going to a pistol scope, or is that what is needed to make it work, scopes with enough eye relief. Would any of the low power shotgun scopes work ?

oldpete

Oldpete-

I have a Burris scout scope mount on my '94 Big Bore in .356 Winchester.  The scope is a Burris 1-4x XER, which may now be discontinued.  The nice thing about the mount is that it allows the scope to be set back far enough in the rings so that the variable power can be used and it seems to keep the weight back towards the balance point of the carbine.  Not quite as front heavy as some other setups i've seen.

Some Pistol scopes will work( think about when you hold a pistol with 2 hands), the eye relief is about the same.
 the other option [2]is an extended eye relief scope.
 Last but not least is the option of Red Dot type scopes.  speaking from experience, these scopes offer unlimited eye relief, and with the Aimpoints, you can choose the dot's m.o.a., depending on what you purchase.  I personally have an Aimpoint comp m mounted on my AR15, and basically where the dot is is where the bullet goes!  try :
www.aimpointusa.com


also.... A company called EOTECH makes a holographic sight that runs about $200.00   They have a web address, but I can't remember it! Their sights feature a 1moa dot that would be good at distance due to the fact the dot won't cover the target.

Toke the .35 Rem. to the range for the first time today, mounted 4x redfield for testing.

For sight-in i used 200gr. Rem.core locks and they grouped about 2" at 50 yds.

Load #1 with 200gr. Herters (Norma) and 31.0 gr of Reloader#7 went 1" at 50 ydrs.and 1 3/4" at 1ooyds.

Load#2 same bullet and 38gr. of H-335 and cci mag.primers, new win.cases went 1/2" at 50yds and less then an inch at 100yds-three shot group.
Same load at 200yds. opened up to 4" for three shots but 2 where only 1" apart so i think it was me.

I have had alot of bolt actions that would not group this good. Vary pleased.

oldpete

also.... A company called EOTECH makes a holographic sight that runs about $200.00   They have a web address, but I can't remember it! Their sights feature a 1moa dot that would be good at distance due to the fact the dot won't cover the target.

http://www.eotech-inc.com/

http://www.eotech-inc.com/

If your shots will be 100yrds or under, go with a 4moa red dot sight. get one in a one-inch tube model. you will not be sorry.

That EOTech unit looks like a VERY impressive sight!

I've learned the lesson on the so-called EER Pistol scopes. I mounted a relatively inexpensive Simmons 2-6x Prohunter pistol scope on a Marlin 94p using the AO scout mount. Only to discover the eye relief is a really to long to be shot from a bench. It seems to be a little more forgiving at the lower magnifications shooting from offhand. A friend of mine with the identical setup with the exception of a Leupold 2x, seems to be much more forgiving.
However, I'll add this observation, a scope or red dot mounted in this location does NOT interfer with a reciever sight....and further does not hinder the way the firearm is carried. It's out of the way when carried in the hand at the balance point.
I'm very tempted to invest in a red dot just to see how well one of those performs.

The Burris Signature Posi-lock 2x7 pistol scope that is mounted on my Marlin 1895 LTD1 with the AO Scout mount has great eye relief and full field of view at all power settings. The receiver sight and the front sight were left in place and do not interfere with the sight picture.

[QUOTE=garfieldx2]I've learned the lesson on the so-called EER Pistol scopes. I mounted a relatively inexpensive Simmons 2-6x Prohunter pistol scope on a Marlin 94p using the AO scout mount. Only to discover the eye relief is a really to long to be shot from a bench.

Hi garfieldx2; Pistol scoopes are not EER (Extended Eye Relief) They are LER, Long Eye Relief. Thats why you had a problem. Scout scopes as made by Burris and Leupold are EER. There may be other companies making EER scopes but I've got mine so havn't been keeping up. Redfield made the first EER scope long before Jeff Cooper came up w/the scout concept. Back in the early '70's as I recall. The whole system, base and scope was designed for the Win.94. Bad timing. I agree that one of the new red dot sights ought to be the cats meow on a 16" carb. Don't have too much fun. Pepe Ray

And Stevens had a rifle called the Little Scout back in 1927 and Springfield Armory had their M6 Scout in 1982. So much for the use of "Scout."

But if you read up on the real history of the "Scout Rifle Concept" you will find that the idea of mounting a scope in front of the receiver came up in WW1 and maybe before that. But it was Jeff Cooper who made it well known. There are a lot of great ideas out there in the shooting community. Some never catch on or are never discovered. That is why this Forum and others like it are such a great idea. Shooters from all over the world can share new and old ideas and expose gun myths.

Pepe Ray, does Redfield still make that scope?

But XS Sight Systems does own the name of ''Lever Scout" for their scope mount.

Maybe if the execs at Winchester had any brains they would get together with XS Sight Systems and a scope company and came out with a Winchester 94 Lever Scout package. Nah, they would screw it up.

Yanqui; Nope, unfortunately that Redfield honey only lasted a short time. It was a 3/4" tube which made it very tidy, and the glass was as good as the prevailing market could allow. Also it was made in low powers and a post was available. Sighhh.
I often feel as you do, that the big company execs are not utilizing the great ideas from their customers. If they did all we would have to do is lay down the green. As it is now we have to struggle and dream and pay the gunsmiths. Don't know 'bout you but I'm still havin fun. Pepe Ray

The bolt acton scout type-rifles don't appear to have sold too well. I don't see Savage as having theirs listed this year, glad I got mine. The Steyr is a nice rifle, but has odd looks and would be priced out of the range of many buyers. I doubt you'll see a scout package on a levergun, but it would be a nice option. That much is for sure.

I just don't see the advantage of the 'scout' concept, honestly.

I can put a low power variable on either a lever or a bolt gun and it seems like it has all the advantages of either type of setup .... say 1.5x5 or 2x7?

Haven't shot a true 'scout' so maybe I'm looking at it all wrong.

The bolt acton scout type-rifles don't appear to have sold too well. I don't see Savage as having theirs listed this year, glad I got mine. The Steyr is a nice rifle, but has odd looks and would be priced out of the range of many buyers. I doubt you'll see a scout package on a levergun, but it would be a nice option. That much is for sure.


I never considered the price. It probably would not sell well. Maybe in the custom department? But then the price would be to high. Maybe offer a Winchester 94 with a scout mount/rings of their own design? Buy the scope of your choosing.

I just don't see the advantage of the 'scout' concept, honestly.

I can put a low power variable on either a lever or a bolt gun and it seems like it has all the advantages of either type of setup .... say 1.5x5 or 2x7?

Haven't shot a true 'scout' so maybe I'm looking at it all wrong.

The scout concept is really a fancy set of ghost ring sights. You have your regular open sights, then semi-buckhorn and then full buckhorn, then ghost ring sights. Each time you you acquire a better sight picture (Keeping both eyes open). HEY, I just remembered. Numrich has a ghost ring sight you can install on your regular rear sights.

And a Lever Scout is just something different. Just another toy.

Mine is a Winchester 94AE Trapper in 30-30. The reciever has a color cased finish. I installed a John Wayne lever (color cased also I acquired from Cherry's). The scout mount is from XS Sight Systems(formally AO). The scope is a Leupold Scout Scope. I hope to someday send off my barrel bands, trigger, hammer, scope rings, and buttplate and have then color cased. The rest of the parts (except for the receiver/lever) I want to have them refinished in Roguard(Moly based finish). It takes time and money.

[QUOTE=garfieldx2]I've learned the lesson on the so-called EER Pistol scopes. I mounted a relatively inexpensive Simmons 2-6x Prohunter pistol scope on a Marlin 94p using the AO scout mount. Only to discover the eye relief is a really to long to be shot from a bench.

Hi garfieldx2; Pistol scoopes are not EER (Extended Eye Relief) They are LER, Long Eye Relief. Thats why you had a problem. Scout scopes as made by Burris and Leupold are EER. There may be other companies making EER scopes but I've got mine so havn't been keeping up. Redfield made the first EER scope long before Jeff Cooper came up w/the scout concept. Back in the early '70's as I recall. The whole system, base and scope was designed for the Win.94. Bad timing. I agree that one of the new red dot sights ought to be the cats meow on a 16" carb. Don't have too much fun. Pepe Ray

Hey Pepe!
Sorry to have my term wrong. However considering the prices of Burris and Leupold these days I could have almost bought another 94p for the price of either of those two brands or rather not put any optical sight on at all.
Recently I bought an old stock Redfield 3x9 and even a friend bought one at a gun show with the same results. I've not been to pleased as I've been unable to get it adjusted to get a clear sight picture with both target and cross hairs :confused:. Funny that problem doesn't exist with my inexpensive Tasco's and Simmons.:rolleyes:

Garfieldx2; Tuff break. Buying 2nd hand scopes is always a risky venture. 'Specially when the co. is Kaput. You might try contacting Redfield to see if they will service that model. Otherwise there's Parsons Scope Repair. I don't have their address handy, but I've noticed it in a couple of Gun Rags this week. They've been in business for a long time.I've bought a couple of used scopes that havn't been checked out yet, could be in the same soup as you are. Good luck. Pepe Ray

The old Redfield company made their scopes in Colorado. When they folded the warranty work went with them. Blount Industries now owns the Redfield brand and the scopes are made in Asia. They do not honor the old company warranty.
There is only one place I know of for the US made Redfield scope repairs and that is:

Iron Sight, Inc
Scope Service Div
3324 S. 76th W. Ave.
Tulsa, Ok. 74107-4503
(918) 445-2286
Attn: Mike Sexton, Pres,
Scopeservice736@aol.com

I've used Mike in the past. It cost approx $60 for normal repair service and takes about 6 - 8 weeks due to backlog. He does a good job and I recommend his service.

I like the scout concept, maybe it's just because I'm very enamored with my cheap, crappy Savage Scout rifle. I like the factory ghost ring. I like the ability to snap a scope on and off and still be able to hit to kill, on deer sized game, out to 200 yards minus the glass. I like the light weight. I like the balance. I'd really like to try one of the EOTech sights on it, looks like it would be an awesome mate to a great rifle concept. It seems to be easier to shoot with both eyes open, but I can't say for sure as it's not something I put much value on in the past. I can't speak for the scout concept in a levergun, but I really do like it in the one I have. Like lots of good ideas...if more folks tried it....it's likely more folks would like it. Sad to see the Savage out of production.

Garfieldx2; Tuff break. Buying 2nd hand scopes is always a risky venture. 'Specially when the co. is Kaput. You might try contacting Redfield to see if they will service that model. Otherwise there's Parsons Scope Repair. I don't have their address handy, but I've noticed it in a couple of Gun Rags this week. They've been in business for a long time.I've bought a couple of used scopes that havn't been checked out yet, could be in the same soup as you are. Good luck. Pepe Ray

Pepe,
The Redfield was brand new old stock it had never been mounted on anything before I got it. Luckily I didn't pay a lot for it. I'll mess with it some more.
I do have a 1.25-4x Redfield of late 70's early 80's vintage still serving quite nicely, also a 1970 Weaver V9 (3x9) that still going.

i have a rem 600, .350 mag that has the old redfield scout scope/ redfield scout mount (redfield called it the frontIER). they were made for both the model 94 win and the rem 600. the scope is 3/4" 2x. the mount was available with an adjustable rear sight attached (in case of scope failure).
scout scopes are refered to as IER (intermediate eye relief).
i recently found a second redfield frontIER mount on ebay for the 600 (now mine for $35) so there are a few around.
i believe the low power scout scope is as fast to use as iron sights, faster than any power short eye relief because the exit pupil of the scope is large enough at the eye that it takes no time to "get the crosshairs" with both eyes open. kind of awkward the first time you use it, but awesome once you use it a few times.

monty

I have the AO mount on my SS Guide Gun, equipped with a Leupold EER. I love it! I had great success with it this past fall. The combination is deadly quick...and on my rifle, very accurate. I also like the fact that I do not need the hammer extension. In fact, since the receiver is pretty much unencumbered, I still have the advantage of the "easy carry" element that I love so much about the Guide Gun. To me there is something seductive about the way my hand fits around the action....yeah, I know...it's dumb.

At any rate, I love the setup. I would like to have an AO receiver site as a backup, and that is something I'm looking at this year...or perhaps the Brockman adjustable peep site from Midway.

- Howeudew

Just put a Burris with WWG mount & QD rings on a 20" Winnie and so far it's nice. A Williams FP sits out of the way until needed. Not as handy as a 16" Lever, but it's still pretty good.

oldpete
Has anyone used this type of scope mount on lever actions.
See http://photos.yahoo.com/richpix2001
Open the folder called My 1895DRC.
The scope is a Leupold M8 2.5x28mm IER Scout.
The mount is silver-soldered to that heavy Badger Octagon.
Dave Clay did the TakedDown conversion in 2001.
The Scout is quickly attached/removed using ~1/2 Turn QR Rings.
I normally use the Ashley GhostRing, the Scout's useful at 100yds to benchrest new loads.

Bill Conrad

And Stevens had a rifle called the Little Scout back in 1927 and Springfield Armory had their M6 Scout in 1982. So much for the use of "Scout."

But if you read up on the real history of the "Scout Rifle Concept" you will find that the idea of mounting a scope in front of the receiver came up in WW1 and maybe before that. But it was Jeff Cooper who made it well known. There are a lot of great ideas out there in the shooting community. Some never catch on or are never discovered. That is why this Forum and others like it are such a great idea. Shooters from all over the world can share new and old ideas and expose gun myths.

Pepe Ray, does Redfield still make that scope?

But XS Sight Systems does own the name of ''Lever Scout" for their scope mount.

Maybe if the execs at Winchester had any brains they would get together with XS Sight Systems and a scope company and came out with a Winchester 94 Lever Scout package. Nah, they would screw it up. .


Yanqui,

Have you seen the new 2005 Winchester catalog? It looks like USRAC is starting to listen to us. To bad Marlin's hearing is not quite as good.

USRAC / winchester-guns.com has an exciting line-up this year with their Model 94's. The biggest surprise is the 94 Timber Scout in 30-30 and 44 magnum with scout scope mount and receiver sight. Just add scope and hit the range.

My scout rifle set-up is almost complete. I selected a Marlin 336TS with 18.5" barrel and straight grip stock in 30-30 caliber as the basis and added the XS Lever Scout mount and sling swivel studs. Yesterday I ordered a Marbles "WGRS" receiver sight and a Marble Arms "Game Getter" green fiber optic front sight blade from brownells.com . That should complete the package.

What peaked my interest in the scout rifle concept was a red dot sight. I mounted an S&W red dot 1x30 on a Marlin 1894S in 44 magnum and became quickly educated in the benefits of red dot sight shooting with both eyes open. Target acquisition was quick and accurate with this set-up and reasoned that maybe there is something to this scout scope stuff. Not being completely sure that I would like it, I bought a $50 cheapie BSA 2-7x32 IER scout scope. There is nothing cheap about the performance of this scope and I will probably keep it and skip buying a Leupold or Burris, maybe. If you haven't done any rifle shooting with a red dot or scout scope, you owe it to yourself to try it.

I do have one recommendation. Make that two.

1) Do not exceed 2.75x or 3x on magnification. On a variable scope, 1.5-4x or 2-7x is all that is needed. Any more magnufication on the low end makes it difficult to shoot with both eyes open. I do shoot with one eye open at longer range with higher magnification.
2) Get a scope with a center red dot or a lighted reticle with the just the very center "+" illuminated. A completely illuminated cross hair is a bit much, for me anyway. Maybe green is not as overbearing as red is.

JJ