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Contender
12-15-2001, 06:10 PM
Looking into this program for load development. Looks pretty interesting. Downloaded the demo version.

Would appreciate any comments from anybody that has used it to develop loads.

Thanks, Ray

Jack Monteith
12-15-2001, 07:11 PM
Hi, Ray:
  I've played with the demo version a bit, and it's the old Powley Computer with updated powder tables, near as I can tell.  You can get a freeware copy of Winload (Powley again) with badly outdated powder recommendations and no external ballistics. How badly outdated? Try a .35 Remington with a 200 gr. bullet. Winload suggests HiVel #2, discontinued in 1964.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jmk/  for Winload.

&nbsp;My cardboard 1970 model Powley computer doesn't recommend HiVel #2 <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

&nbsp;A very interesting lady has Powley's original math on her site.
http://hometown.aol.com/slavetiger/ &nbsp;and click on IMR Powders on the left side of the screen.

&nbsp; NECOs Quickload is quite an advance over Powley's pre-computer math, but it's expensive. Quite a few people think it's worth it.
<a href="http://www.neconos.com/details3.htm

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Jack

Alk8944
12-16-2001, 05:05 PM
Contender:

I have been using Load From a Disk for the past nine years, firts with an earlier DOS version and now with LFDW for Windows.

Before buying any of the load development programs I did as much research as I could, including phoning Blackwell (developer of LFD) and having a lengthy conversation with him. &nbsp;As I had been using a Powley COmputer with good success I was curious how LFD compared to it. &nbsp;Well, Blackwell said LFD uses the same mathmatics as Powley. &nbsp;LFD will give you all of the same parameters as thge Powley with one change. &nbsp;LFD groups powders into burning-rate categories and gives a list of all in that category. &nbsp;The Powley only read out in the IMR selection.

I have been greatly pleased with the results obtained from LFD and LFDW. &nbsp;Now since I have an Oehler 35 chronograph to check results I have been amazed by the close correspondence from the LFD predictions and actual chronograph data. &nbsp;The LFD gives much closer results, generally, than data in any of the major manuals.

In short, I wouldn't be without either! &nbsp;Your money will be well spent buying LFDW.

Charlie Lima
12-19-2001, 10:38 AM
In regard to the comment on NECO's &quot;QUICKLOAD&quot;. I have been using it almost as long as it has been available in the USA. While I cannot verify any data except velocity\fps, if the rest ( pressure, % of burn, etc.) are as accurate as velocity estimate *the program is great. most loads are predicted at velocities that fall in the &quot;extreme spread&quot; range. occassionally it will be off 100 fps or so [ minority] but then it predicted the load for my 6.5\06 to 1 fps of actual velocity. I don't think it is any more expensive than most computer stuff &amp; pays for itself in cost savings for load developement on powder, primers, gas to drive to shooting range, etc.
IMHO = #1 rating in value &amp; usefullness.

Jack Tradez
12-29-2001, 07:29 PM
I don't use computers to work up loads - I do it the old fashioned way - more fun, prolly safer too.
If you are interested in External and Terminal Ballistics results for your loads, there is a good free program at:

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme2/jot/

happy shootin'