I'm told that Lee Precision will custom make dies if you send them a case to work from. I haven't gotten the full details yet, but I'm giving serious thought to having them do this for me for .32 NAA. My brother, called Uncruel on this forum, did this with .450 Marlin, and he found someone to go in on it with him to split the set-up costs.

Now, I know it's a pretty long shot, but is anyone here interested in going in on this with me to conserve costs?

You may not have to do a pure "custom." A few years ago there was a group buy on Lee .32 NAA and a bunch of us bought them. They are very good dies. Since Lee already has the plans...to make the dies you may not have to get a lot of people in on them to get a half-way decent price. Call them first and check it out because you may be surprised that they may be able to turn out a set and not charge you an arm and a leg like they might a one-of set on a caliber they do not already have the tooling for.

You may not have to do a pure "custom." A few years ago there was a group buy on Lee .32 NAA and a bunch of us bought them. They are very good dies. Since Lee already has the plans...to make the dies you may not have to get a lot of people in on them to get a half-way decent price. Call them first and check it out because you may be surprised that they may be able to turn out a set and not charge you an arm and a leg like they might a one-of set on a caliber they do not already have the tooling for.

I called Lee a few years ago about getting a mould that had once been listed as a standard catalog item. I was told that they would be happy to make one if I would pay the, at that time, $100 set-up fee plus the retail price of the mould. At the time I could have gotten a pure custom mould from several sources for a lot less money. Just because they have the tooling doesn't mean they will cut you any slack on making a non-catalog item.

You may not have to do a pure "custom." A few years ago there was a group buy on Lee .32 NAA and a bunch of us bought them. They are very good dies. Since Lee already has the plans...to make the dies you may not have to get a lot of people in on them to get a half-way decent price. Call them first and check it out because you may be surprised that they may be able to turn out a set and not charge you an arm and a leg like they might a one-of set on a caliber they do not already have the tooling for.

Yeah, I emailed Lee, and they said I should contact Makarov.com because they'd ordered a bunch to go along with their conversion kits to rebarrel Maks for .32 NAA. I emailed Makarov.com and they said they'd already sold them all. Still waiting for a non-form-letter response from Lee, since their website, their little downloadable help program, and now their email are saying three different things. I may just have to call them and try to pin them down to one answer.

Makarov.com is the place everyone says to get dies. It makes sense that they are actually Lee dies. However, makarov.com's web site is not currently taking orders. Note that they probably won't be carbide. Lee's 357 Sig dies are also not carbide, due to the bottleneck. To avoid lube, I size the body with a 40 S&W sizing die before running it into the 357 Sig sizing die.

That "someone" I found to go in on it with me was Ranch Dog of this site. It was more a matter of me going in with him, because he was the one who did all the work, dealt with Lee, supplied fired brass and bullets, etc. I just mailed him a check and he sent me dies.

The phone is definitely the best way to deal with Lee. They aren't a big company, and I typically get through right away to someone who knows what they are talking about.


Lee won't cut you slack on the set up fee. It goes to time/labor for setting up the machines, not for figuring out how to do the job the first time. However, they will charge you the same fee no matter how many units you order. If you get a few, you'll probably have an easy time unloading them on auction sites.

Makarov.com is the place everyone says to get dies. It makes sense that they are actually Lee dies. However, makarov.com's web site is not currently taking orders. Note that they probably won't be carbide. Lee's 357 Sig dies are also not carbide, due to the bottleneck. To avoid lube, I size the body with a 40 S&W sizing die before running it into the 357 Sig sizing die.

That "someone" I found to go in on it with me was Ranch Dog of this site. It was more a matter of me going in with him, because he was the one who did all the work, dealt with Lee, supplied fired brass and bullets, etc. I just mailed him a check and he sent me dies.

The phone is definitely the best way to deal with Lee. They aren't a big company, and I typically get through right away to someone who knows what they are talking about.


Lee won't cut you slack on the set up fee. It goes to time/labor for setting up the machines, not for figuring out how to do the job the first time. However, they will charge you the same fee no matter how many units you order. If you get a few, you'll probably have an easy time unloading them on auction sites.

I kinda wish I had a good chunk of money to order a bunch and then sell them on Gun Broker. If I can't find anyone willing to go in on it with me, I may just decide to suck it up and just order ammo for it online all the time.

I would like to get a set of the 32 naa dies. Any luck with other people ?
I mint to get a set from makarov.com , but they sold out & now they are closing.
Are you Komotomo on livejournal ? If so I read post there aslo.

Yeah, I'm komotomo on LJ.

I think you're the only taker so far. I think we're still talking like $100 for a set of dies if it's just the two of us, though.

These would be steel dies & set up is not as much as carbide.
I see you have a birthday of 2-15-1979, my son is also 2-15-1979.
Also have a brother living in St.Louis.
e-mail me about dies

I called Lee, and the person I talked to denied ever making any, if anyone can find some let me know!

If I have to go over $100 I'm going to buy from RCBS.

I called Lee, and the person I talked to denied ever making any, if anyone can find some let me know!

If I have to go over $100 I'm going to buy from RCBS.

Well, that's basically what we were discussing, trying to get them to do a custom order. It costs $150 + $40 for each set of dies ordered. So, if you, I, and Razor pooled our money to order them, they'd cost us $90 a set. This won't include the factory crimp die, either, which I, at least, would like to have.

And, it rather figures that a third interested person would pop up now that I'm low on money. :P

I think I will try to make a set. At least a sizer, may ream a 32 auto die (steel of corse) as
it is the right size for the neck, or use a 7/8-14 bolt. At least it want be 6-8 months & $100. Yea I called Lee also & got same reply. huuua
later

Hello,

Please let me know if anyone wants to go further in a group buy of .32 NAA resizing dies, or else I can order several sets and pay for the setup fees myself and have them available if anyone wants to purchase them.

I would prefer carbide ones, if Lee could make them. I could also check and see if the Hornady plant in Grand Island, Nebraska does similar work, since they are just down the road from me (60 miles).

Razor, I don't think you will have much luck reaming out even a hardened steel die. They are probably the same Rockwell hardness of any high speed steel reamer, and a carbide reamer would have to have a very solid setup to do the job without chipping or shattering. Plus, the price of a carbide reamer would be a substantial down payment on a set of dies.

I used to sharpen and fabricate HSS and carbide cutting tools at a manufacturing plant for years.

I have read where steel dies are made from 12L14 steel and are case hardend. I have a small
kiln that will take care of that.

Hello,

Please let me know if anyone wants to go further in a group buy of .32 NAA resizing dies, or else I can order several sets and pay for the setup fees myself and have them available if anyone wants to purchase them.

I would prefer carbide ones, if Lee could make them. I could also check and see if the Hornady plant in Grand Island, Nebraska does similar work, since they are just down the road from me (60 miles).

Razor, I don't think you will have much luck reaming out even a hardened steel die. They are probably the same Rockwell hardness of any high speed steel reamer, and a carbide reamer would have to have a very solid setup to do the job without chipping or shattering. Plus, the price of a carbide reamer would be a substantial down payment on a set of dies.

I used to sharpen and fabricate HSS and carbide cutting tools at a manufacturing plant for years.

Lee doesn't seem to do carbide dies for bottlenecked pistol cartridges. I'd much rather the carbide, too. You can get around the need to lubricate by using a carbide sizing die of the parent case before the sizing die for the bottlenecked case. I do this with .357 Sig and .400 Corbon without a problem.

**** Murphy's law. ;D

Well, with what amount that I would probably reload for the .32 NAA, I think steel would be more than adequate.

I hope to have some information to report later this week on checking with some other die manufacturers, or at least Hornady.

I am trying to get caught up some college courses, so I might be absent from the thread for a day or two, but I really would like to pursue a group buy, and as stated before, I would be willing to be the front man.

I'm in for a set of dies if you guys are going to do this. Gotta head to jury duty this morning but I'll check back later. I bought a Guardian and some brass from Makarov. They are having a sale at 10 bucks for 200 rounds. You can reach me at vernbolton@hotmail.com

Thanks!

I'm still in for whatever anyone can come up with!

Just spoke with RCBS and they said the cartridge is proprietary and they cannot make the dies. They told me they had just hung up with speaking to another gentleman named Paul Echols. Anyway, if you guys are interested you can email me at vernbolton@hotmail.com or call me at 575-748-2139 home or 575-513-0031 cell. Thanks.

I also have a 32 NAA and need dies
i have called lee - today
and they can custom make the dies
they made the originals and it has am saam standard
the will make single sets for 190.00
150.00 set up +40.00 per set - 8 - 12 weel
they will make less than 25 at these prices
if they get an order for 25 they will make them for 40.00
no setup fee on the 25 plus order
its a 3 die set of 1. size - 2. powder thru expander - 3. seat dies
i will go on the group buy at this price if we can
get 25 people together for this
lets see what we can do on this
the order has to go to lee as one order
and ship to one location thry will not drop ship
and they would ship in 2 - 3 months once order is received
i will handle this if there are 24 more people who want these
im not trying tyo root out anyone on this
but passing on info just need a set of dies
if we cant get a group togethe ill just
buy a single set

I never heard back from Hornady, so I will be willing to order the 25 sets with my own money, and when they arrive, post a notice here that I have them available. The website said it might be a long wait, and I would rather not collect any money from anyone until the die sets are in my hot little hands.

Any excess would be auctioned off on Gunbroker.com.

Would that be okay with everybody?

bowfin

the info i just posted is from lee as of today
25 sets @ 40.00
shipped as one order to single address
deleviry time 8 - 12 weeks
call lee customer service
im in if you want to do this
just let me know when you want the payment
thanks
paul

I'm a newbe, and this is my forst post here. I Was looking for a set of .32 NAA dies myself on Google when I came across this thread/forum. I have a .32 NAA barrel form Mak.com myself.
Whatever goes, is going - I want in on a set of those dies too! :)

AX'E

I never heard back from Hornady, so I will be willing to order the 25 sets with my own money, and when they arrive, post a notice here that I have them available. The website said it might be a long wait, and I would rather not collect any money from anyone until the die sets are in my hot little hands.

Any excess would be auctioned off on Gunbroker.com.

Would that be okay with everybody?

That would be excellent with me. If I had the grand to drop on it, I'd have bought 25 sets and sold them off myself.

Pawpawman: Actually that $150 set up fee isn't charged per set of dies, it's charged per order of dies. So, if you purchased five sets of dies, it would be $350.

I'm in. Just let me know where and when to send the money. I was going to call Lee myself today but got too busy.

Hi guys, First post on here. I'd want in on a set of dies for my 32 NAA. When you get it all set, I'll join in.

**** I'll even buy two for $40 a set! I'm all in!

I have a NAA 32/380 and a MAK so and would like to buy in for at least one set, possibly two. Who's the contact for the purchase. Email a response or leave a contact phone number.

Bowfin,

Have you placed the order yet? Not trying to rush you just curious. Hopefully I'll have more than one box of ammo sometime tomorrow so I can go shoot this thing.

Hi again Bowfin.
I'm just making a check in posting to say, Yep! I'm still lurking out here in the wings wating and wanting in on the .32 naa die purchase. :)

AX'E

Update on the dies:

I have contacted Lee, and they were pretty adamant about having the five fired cases and three bullet samples, even though I believe they have made .32 NAA dies before. :rolleyes:

So last week, I ordered two boxes of .32 NAA ammo so I can fire some off and send them in with the money order for the dies. The ammunition was shipped Monday, July 21st, so as soon as they come, I will head out to the field, fire off a magzine or three, and off goes the order.

Ammunition arrived today, a little after 5 P.M.:)

Ammunition arrived today, a little after 5 P.M.:)

Darn, I wish I'd been thinking. I could have mailed you some of those. Thus is life.

Granted, I'm a wee bit worried about this aspect of things. Those cases seem to expand a lot in my gun, at least.

I thought it was LEE who made the dies for Makarov.com?
If the .32 naa does like the 5.7 cartridge does in the FN pistol, then yeah they expand quite alot, and the neck moves way forward.
Maybe it would be better to pull a few bullets/primers, and send 'unfired' casings?
Just typing my thoughts, I'm sure they must know what they're doing...?? :confused::)

these dies need to be saami standard
if the are made from fired cases they might not fit another chamber
i have talked with lee about this again today
the have the saami demensions for this cartridge
you need to tell them this when you order the dies
that pat at lee said the will make the dies to saami standards
but that is how you have to order them
if these are not to saami there is a high chance
the markov chamber will not fir the 32 naa guardian autos
currently on the market

these dies need to be saami standard
if the are made from fired cases they might not fit another chamber
i have talked with lee about this again today
the have the saami demensions for this cartridge
you need to tell them this when you order the dies
that pat at lee said the will make the dies to saami standards
but that is how you have to order them
if these are not to saami there is a high chance
the markov chamber will not fir the 32 naa guardian autos
currently on the market


Oh, I hope bowfin saw that in time. XD

Is there any way to "fix" the dies if we get sets that won't make ammo right for our guns?

these dies need to be saami standard
if the are made from fired cases they might not fit another chamber
i have talked with lee about this again today
the have the saami demensions for this cartridge
you need to tell them this when you order the dies
that pat at lee said the will make the dies to saami standards
but that is how you have to order them
if these are not to saami there is a high chance
the markov chamber will not fir the 32 naa guardian autos
currently on the market

This is correct. I got a barrel from Mak.com & like I said in another post I was going to make
my dies. This barrel has an over sized chamber, so I ordered another & it is more to standard. I did make a reamer for the sizer & seat dies & have made a sizer die from an old bolt, it works great. I fired about 25rds last week with no problems. Got to get more of
them little 60gr bullets & some round stock to make a seater & maby another sizer as the bolt did not have very good threads on it. I did have to make sizer reamer under size to
allow for polishing inside of die & for spring back of brass.
Later

Update on the dies:

I have contacted Lee, and they were pretty adamant about having the five fired cases and three bullet samples, even though I believe they have made .32 NAA dies before. :rolleyes:

So last week, I ordered two boxes of .32 NAA ammo so I can fire some off and send them in with the money order for the dies. The ammunition was shipped Monday, July 21st, so as soon as they come, I will head out to the field, fire off a magzine or three, and off goes the order.

this is the way a wildcat id done
the 32 naa however has saami standards
if you will call and talk with pat at lee
they can get this correct
you will NOT need any fired brass etc
for the 32naa saami dies
pat said the can make the sammi dies with
the infirmation they have for this case
there is a lot of difference in the cut markov chambers
however the north american arms 32 NAA's
are chambered to the saami specs
it seems that 32naa saami dies is what we are going to
have to have if we can use them in anything
other than markovs - amaybe net even but a few
of them - there was a problem with the chambers ib the
recut markovs even being the same
please use the saami specs for these dies
if not it will be a waste of money for most of us
thanks - i need a coupl sets of 32naa saami dies
but there is no way i can use markov chamber dies

Lee doesn't "make" custom dies from fired cases. They make the dies according to SAAMI dimensions (or supplied dimensions if it is a wildcat), and they test the dies with fired cases. I suppose at most, they might open up the mouth of the sizing die to accommodate larger than expected fired cases.

I suppose the nice lady answering the phone gave me the stock instructions she is supposed to give out to anyone who uses the phrase "custom dies", not knowing that the person or persons out on the floor have the dimensions in hand from the last batch(es) of dies that they made. I tried (halfheartedly, I confess) to convince her that they probably would know exactly what to make if my order said ".32 NAA to normal SAAMI specs" but she stuck to the script. So at that point, I thought it easier just to send the brass and bullets.

If I have to send anything, I would much rather send them unfired Starline brass from Makarov.com, some Hornady 60 gr. XTPs and a couple of Corbon cartridges and say "Have this brass come out measuring the same as the cases of these cartridges."

For all I know, my barrel could have a chamber triangular in shape with no shoulder on the high side, and .020" oversize to boot, making any dies designed from my fired brass worthless to everybody else with a closer to normal chamber:-)

I will send the check with a letter stating that the dies should be made to conform with SAAMI standards, and if there are any questions, please talk to Pat at Lee Precision and/or call me. Is everybody okay with this???

Sounds (reads) great to me! :D

I suppose the nice lady answering the phone gave me the stock instructions she is supposed to give out to anyone who uses the phrase "custom dies", not knowing that the person or persons out on the floor have the dimensions in hand from the last batch(es) of dies that they made. I tried (halfheartedly, I confess) to convince her that they probably would know exactly what to make if my order said ".32 NAA to normal SAAMI specs" but she stuck to the script. So at that point, I thought it easier just to send the brass and bullets.

If I have to send anything, I would much rather send them unfired Starline brass from Makarov.com, some Hornady 60 gr. XTPs and a couple of Corbon cartridges and say "Have this brass come out measuring the same as the cases of these cartridges."

For all I know, my barrel could have a chamber triangular in shape with no shoulder on the high side, and .020" oversize to boot, making any dies designed from my fired brass worthless to everybody else with a closer to normal chamber:-)

I will send the check with a letter stating that the dies should be made to conform with SAAMI standards, and if there are any questions, please talk to Pat at Lee Precision and/or call me. Is everybody okay with this???

Sounds good to me. :D

Sounds good to me. I'm still waiting on ordered ammo so I can go shoot this thing. I also broke down and bought a new Ruger .380 LCP the other day. I bought some FMJ rounds from American (Federal) and Remington and they chambered just fine. The hollowpoints I bought from Starfire did not chamber. It appears that the cut at the bottom of the case is too small and the ejector will not allow the slide to close. Time to head to work, hopefully those dies will be here sometime in the near future.

Sounds good to me. I'm still waiting on ordered ammo so I can go shoot this thing. I also broke down and bought a new Ruger .380 LCP the other day. I bought some FMJ rounds from American (Federal) and Remington and they chambered just fine. The hollowpoints I bought from Starfire did not chamber. It appears that the cut at the bottom of the case is too small and the ejector will not allow the slide to close. Time to head to work, hopefully those dies will be here sometime in the near future.

Yeah, I wound up buying a couple of boxes of the FMJ ammo directly from Dakota Ammo (a.k.a. Cor-bon). I haven't gone through them both yet, though. I keep meaning to, in the hopes that my Guardian will start working better when it's broken in.

Have you seen fired cases out of the .32 NAA? Mine all come out without any neck left and just barely the shoulder. Even the fired shell casing that came with the pistol is like that. I contacted NAA out of a bout of paranoia and they assured me that is normal, so sending them fired cases to have the dies made from is going to be a botched job at best because they look nothing like the chamber.

Remember guys, unlike the .357 SIG that is bottlenecked and headspaces on the mouth, the .32 NAA headspaces on the shoulder like it should. So, all you need to do to make .32 NAA cases is run a .380 case into the sizer die. The only rounds I shoot that are "real" .32 NAA are the carry rounds. All my practice rounds are .380 formed .32 NAA and Speer or Hornady 60 gr. bullets. I use a CH-4D cannulure tool to roll in a crimp groove.
Also, do not seat the bullets and crimp at the same time. If you do that you will end up with loose bullets. Seat to correct depth with no crimp then back off the seat stem, re-adjust the die and then roll in a slight amount of crimp.
And the velocities that NAA claimed at first of 1250 fps are spot on. They have reduced the velocity to about 1200 now but all my Cor-Bon ammo is from when they first started making the rounds and my reloads (1245 fps) chrono near the same as the Cor-Bon factory loads I have, 1251 fps. Why Cor-Bon reduced the velocity to 1200 is a mystery to me.

Bowfin how would you like to handle payment?

Still looking to get in on this. when you guys are ready, I am too. 32 NAA Guardian here

Yep. Just tell us where and when, bowfin.

My local dealer replaced my new Ruger LCP yesterday. I had not fired it yet (still haven't) but it would not chamber the Starfire rounds and actually was not chambering some of the FMJ rounds so she just exchanged the pistol. I need to get out in the field and shoot it and my 32NAA. I finally got enough factory ammo so I can go out and shoot them both.

Still looking forward to getting the dies for the NAA though. Just let us know.

I would also like to get in on a set of the Lee 32 NAA die. Please add me to the list and let me know when it's available and where I can send the money to. Thank you.

I will commit buy 2 sets when they are available.

THANKS

Wow, we might get up to 25 with this, at this rate. :D

Hello,

Sorry about the period of silence, I had to work in an out of state visit to the inlaws and a long promised fishing trip with Number One Sone into the last two weeks of summer vacation.

The check went off for the 25 sets of dies, along with some new Starline brass from Makarov.com and a couple of Cor-bon cartridges, (neither of which I think they will need, but better safe than sorry.)

I will keep everybody updated, but they told me it may be as long as 180 days.

I don't want to collect any money until the dies are in my hands, ready to ship out.

Cool. Hopefully, the thread won't have been deleted for inactivity by that time.

I guess we'll just have to keep the thread going?
LA-LA-LA-LA posting to keep thread going & still want my set of dies LA-LA-LA-LA :D

I'll help to keep the thread up with some useful for some and useless for others information. BTW, I thought Makarov was out of brass. Maybe they got some more.

Anyway, I took four guns to the field to shoot. One of course was my new Guardian 32 NAA and I also took my Ruger LCP 380 plus my Kel-Tec 32 and my trusty 357 Speed Six. The Guardian was freakin awesome. It shot great and did not fail to feed one single round of FMJ, hollowpoints, Glasers, or Extreme Shock. It digested everything perfectly.

Cannot say the same for the LCP. I was a bit disappointed and yes I realize that they need to be broken in. I ran about a hundred rounds through it and had about 12 to 15 failures to feed. Ironically this was with FMJ stuff. The Starfire Hollow Points worked fine. I will go back out in the next couple of weeks and run another hundred or so through it to help break it in.

The Kel-Tec worked great also and the Speed Six is also a pleasure to shoot.

Okay, that does it for me. Hopefully the dies will be here sometime before we crash into the sun. Someone else step up next. :D

I have a Makarov that I use for CC, and I bought 2 of the .32 NAA barrels and 1,000 cases from Mak.com a couple months ago, I haven't changed the barrel on my Mak yet, I'm waiting for the dies.....

Then the next step is to bug the crap out of some company to make drop-in .32 NAA barrels for my Kel-tec P3AT, (Barstow?)

and then bug the crap out of Larry Seecamp, and get an LWS in .32 NAA

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Then the next step is to bug the crap out of some company to make drop-in .32 NAA barrels for my Kel-tec P3AT, (Barstow?)




Good luck. Seriously. I called around and tried to find someone to do this for a couple of Taurus guns I have in .380 ACP and .32 ACP (I intend to get something in .25 NAA as well). I think the closest I got was someone saying, "Well, if you agree to buy 100 of them..." at $100 a piece, I think. Sadly, I do not have $10,000 burning a hole in my pocket.

I even tried calling Taurus to see if they could sell me barrels that hadn't had their chambers cut. No dice. You might try that with Kel-Tec.

Hello,

Sorry about the period of silence, I had to work in an out of state visit to the inlaws and a long promised fishing trip with Number One Sone into the last two weeks of summer vacation.

The check went off for the 25 sets of dies, along with some new Starline brass from Makarov.com and a couple of Cor-bon cartridges, (neither of which I think they will need, but better safe than sorry.)

I will keep everybody updated, but they told me it may be as long as 180 days.

I don't want to collect any money until the dies are in my hands, ready to ship out.

If you haven't reached 25 yet, I'd like in on this deal. I'll check back for updates.

just let me knok when you get them
i will take 2 (two)
i have been at this for a while
im glad you got it worked out

I wonder if the .32 NAA might have more success if some handgun manufacturer would chamber it in an accurate trailgun semiauto, along the lines of a beefed up Ruger Mark III or the likes.

Does anybody here have any interest in the .32 NAA other than as a self defense round?

I wonder if the .32 NAA might have more success if some handgun manufacturer would chamber it in an accurate trailgun semiauto, along the lines of a beefed up Ruger Mark III or the likes.

Does anybody here have any interest in the .32 NAA other than as a self defense round?

Considering what was said about the muzzle velocity being much greater (+200fps IIRC) with the 4" barrels they used for the initial testing, I'd love to see this.

An accurate semi-auto in .32 NAA might make an interesting gun for varmints and such. I'm certainly the sort that, if the gun is up to it, I'll try to use it for anything I can. If I had the machinery to make a replacement barrel, I might even consider keeping a Cobray M12 I'm trying to sell and rechambering it to .32 NAA.

99 Rounds COR-BON 72 Grain FMJ
20 Rounds COR-BON 60 Grain JHP
200 Brass Casings w/Primers (Never Fired)
LEE .32 NAA 3 Die Set (New)

I've got $133 invested (not including shipping costs). I've also got a handful of once fired brass. I sold my Guardian so I no longer have a need for .32NAA. Will sell the lot for $125 plus actual shipping costs. PM if interested. Thanks.

!!!!ALL ITEMS SOLD!!!!

I bought Mr. Cady's stuff so I'm anxious to get it and see if I can turn out some rounds. Should be here in a few days and if I can squeeze in some time I'll let everyone know how the reloads shoot. BTW, I'm still in for a set of dies even though I bought these. Hopefully Lee will get them out fairly quickly.

Hello, Bowfin:

Please add me to the list for a set of the Lee .32NAA dies.

Thanks.

99 Rounds COR-BON 72 Grain FMJ
20 Rounds COR-BON 60 Grain JHP
200 Brass Casings w/Primers (Never Fired)
LEE .32 NAA 3 Die Set (New)

I've got $133 invested (not including shipping costs). I've also got a handful of once fired brass. I sold my Guardian so I no longer have a need for .32NAA. Will sell the lot for $125 plus actual shipping costs. PM if interested. Thanks.

!!!!ALL ITEMS SOLD!!!!


DAMMIT! the ONE day I don't check this thread!

I want to thank Mr. Cady. Not to rub it in, well maybe a little, but it was a great deal, brand new dies and all the stuff he said was there plus it was all in plastic ammo boxes. Thank you very much. I will let you guys know as soon as I get some time. Oops, gotta go. Almost late for work.

Hello Bowfin;
I'd also like to get a set of those dies. Where do I send the money?

I won't be collecting any money until I have the dies in hand and figure out how much postage will be.

Does anybody have any preferences on UPS or USPS?

usps is more :p:rolleyes:"reliable":p:rolleyes: in my neck of the woods.....

I won't be collecting any money until I have the dies in hand and figure out how much postage will be.

Does anybody have any preferences on UPS or USPS?

Bowfin:

Your choice. Take the route that easiest for you.

Thanks.

I won't be collecting any money until I have the dies in hand and figure out how much postage will be.

Does anybody have any preferences on UPS or USPS?

I think USPS is cheaper these days for small packages like this.

Cashflow,

Just so I don't over promise, I am thinking you no longer need a set of dies, correct?

can you count me in as well for a set of dies
thanks
andy

Bowfin

How many dies did you order from Lee ? I have put in my request for one a few weeks back. At this point looks like you have lots of requests for the die. Are you keeping count ?

Just want to make sure that I am in line to put my hand on one when you received your order form lee.

Thanks for doing this for all of us.

I won't be collecting any money until I have the dies in hand and figure out how much postage will be.

Does anybody have any preferences on UPS or USPS?

I'm still here Bowfin.
Definately USPS for me! The UPS guy has a habit of tossing boxes over the fence and driving off. If it's a small box, it may be out there for a good while. Not good during Huricane season!:eek:
Thanks!

AX'E

So far, we have 13 different people committed, and several of you for more than one set.

I was looking at the list, and just knew I forgot somebody. I did, the guy sitting at 13.:)

1. AngelDeville
2. papawman
3. AX'E
4. Ko Improbable
5. laserman11
6. iims300z
7. ppc432
8. nikenipter
9. zarvad
10. Adservo_Lex
11. hseaver
12. adsmd
13. bowfin

Now, if you name is not on the list, don't panic or get mad, because we still have a ways to go. Just sound off and I'll add you.

I would like to keep a set or two to throw on Gunbroker.com or ebay and hopefully show my wife I made a profit in tying up $1,000+ of the family budget for however long this takes.

Has anybody ever made their own .32 NAA brass from .380 brass?

I think all you need to do is run 380 brass thru the 32 NAA sizing die. If the sizing die is carbide, then I don't think lube is necessary. Makarov.com is no longer in business, but their website is still up and has some misc info up including some handloading data as they did carry dies and new brass for their 32 NAA conversion.
Andy

Well, Lee has cashed the check, so that is some progress to report.

I think all you need to do is run 380 brass thru the 32 NAA sizing die. If the sizing die is carbide, then I don't think lube is necessary. Makarov.com is no longer in business, but their website is still up and has some misc info up including some handloading data as they did carry dies and new brass for their 32 NAA conversion.
Andy

IIRC, Lee does not make carbide dies for bottlenecked pistol cartridges.

That said, we're not talking a lot of necking down. One of the pieces of .400 Corbon brass I bought had not been necked down, and with a little sizing lube, it wasn't even hard to run through the non-carbide die.

Bowfin: While I'm thinking about it, is there any method of payment you'd prefer or require?

I've never heard of carbide dies for bottleneck cases, but that doesn't mean much... I've been out of the reloading game for awhile now. :rolleyes:

Has anybody ever made their own .32 NAA brass from .380 brass?

The 1,000 cases I got from Mak.coms fire sale are all .380 brass with a .32 NAA headstamp. a little lube and the dies and you got yerself .32 NAA cases, easy as pie.

Bowfin,

I actually don't need another set of dies. However if you have trouble getting rid of them I will gladly take a set. I have a good friend who has done lots of favors for me over the years and I just might surprise him with a set of these dies and a new 32 NAA. He must be a pretty good friend huh? LOL

I'm interested

As for payment, I don't have or do anything with Paypal or the like, so a personal check or money order will do just fine.

I am going to need payment first before I send out any dies. I will post a picture of the dies when they arrive so at least you know I have 25 Lee Precision reloading die boxes in my posession.:p

If anyone needs any references on me, I am artsmom on ebay (although I haven't done any business with those guys for a while), and I also have a presence at the Nebraska Outdoors forum, where I was the buyer for CARE package goodies for one of our members in Iraq.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8&start=0&sid=9defe37e384068a8fce149d238f71664

Cashflow,

Do not feel obligated to buy a set of dies, since you already have a set. I do thank you for offering to go through with the purchase, but I don't see a problem with getting buyers for all the sets.

I would like a set!

let me know when, where and how much :)

If in the end there's extra's I would enjoy a spare, but everyone else should be able to have a go at it first since it looks like these puppy's are scarce!

yipee!

I had a message on my answering machine today from a gentleman in Missouri. He was directed my way by Lee Precision, as he was looking for a set of .32 NAA dies, and couldn't find any, although he said Redding would make him a set for $450(!!!).

This gentleman told me that Makarov.com was thinking about buying 100 sets before the decision to sell out. I really liked that website/company, too bad the Feds put the kibosh on importing Makarovs.:mad:

Okay, is anybody taking bets that I DON'T have my Makarov barrels switched out and ready to go by the time the dies get here?:D

I'm gonna need to shoot up the rest of my 9X18 ammo in celebration before I change out my barrel!:D

I was hoping to get another MAK just for the .32NAA- maybe Ill switchout barrels in the IJ-70 again- then I'l have 3 barrels for it-.380 and original. ;) Glad I got a barrel press before they disappeared!:eek:

Guess what I had waiting for me when I got home today???:-)

Details to follow.

my munny is burin' a hole in my pocket!

Guess what I had waiting for me when I got home today???:-)

Details to follow.

I will take a set if any left.

Okay, I will start to PM my address to everybody on the list as of today.

I need to go check to see what shipping will be, but I hope to get a set of dies into everybody's hands for $50, which includes the $40 set of dies, postage from Lee to my house, and postage from my house to yours. Unless postage and UPS has gone up substantially, I think this is doable, but I will have to check first, so don't carve $50 in stone.

Checks are okay, but I will have to let them clear the bank first. Even one "free set" will put me in the hole on this deal, and I absolutely promised the wife that we would come out okay on this. Presently, I took a year off work to go to school full time and get a degree, so it took a leap of faith to put out the cash for these dies.

Thanks to Beartooth Bullets for providing a venue for this to happen, and they will soon see an order from me for some .357 and .32-20 bullets after the dust clears on this group buy.

Oh, and I will ship UPS or USPS on this deal, since you guys know best which is more reliable in your area.

Okay, I will start to PM my address to everybody on the list as of today.

I need to go check to see what shipping will be, but I hope to get a set of dies into everybody's hands for $50, which includes the $40 set of dies, postage from Lee to my house, and postage from my house to yours. Unless postage and UPS has gone up substantially, I think this is doable, but I will have to check first, so don't carve $50 in stone.

Checks are okay, but I will have to let them clear the bank first. Even one "free set" will put me in the hole on this deal, and I absolutely promised the wife that we would come out okay on this. Presently, I took a year off work to go to school full time and get a degree, so it took a leap of faith to put out the cash for these dies.

Thanks to Beartooth Bullets for providing a venue for this to happen, and they will soon see an order from me for some .357 and .32-20 bullets after the dust clears on this group buy.

Oh, and I will ship UPS or USPS on this deal, since you guys know best which is more reliable in your area.

*waits impatiently for said PM* :D

I'm glad they came in before I ran out of money again.

*waits impatiently for said PM*

I know, I know...:rolleyes:

I went down to the post office to check on suitable boxes and shipping today on Monday...Columbus Day...a postal holiday...:(

I will swing by the post office after class today, Honest Injun.

Looks like a check or money order for $52.00 will cover everything for USPS shipping.

Sorry I couldn't keep it at a round $50.00, but I was thinking something like $3.40 for postage, which was what it was last time I did something like this.:eek:

Since the price inflated $2.00, no one is going to be held to purchasing a set.

PMs go out tonight, my son needs the computer for homework.

OH GEE! A whole $2.00 more? Ever see that movie 'Better Off Dead'? "I WANT MY $2.00!!!!" ROFL:D
I'm waiting patiently for my PM! ...Thanks Bowfin!

Okay, if you haven't received a PM from me yet, then I probably missed you. Please PM me, which probably would have made more sense from the get-go.

Here is the haul from Lee, less my set:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/artsmom/reload003.jpg

I have received payment from K.O. and ppc432, so those sets will be going out tomorrow, as soon as I line up suitable boxes. (I have some on order from the Post Office, but they will take a few days to get here.)

As you can see in this picture, the reloads come out a little larger than the Cor-bon cartridge shown between the reload and the die set:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/artsmom/reload007.jpg

Surprisingly, it chambers fine in my Makarov barrel!:eek:

Okay, I threw the 4-bore cartridge in just for a conversation piece.:o

Hey, Bowfin, you ARE the man. I'll send out my money today. Thanks.. Can't wait. haven't been on here in a bit..

Bowfin, the check went out in today's mail. Thanks again for taking the initiative to get these made.

K.O. Improbable and ppc342, your dies were sent out a couple of days ago by Priority Mail.

Let me know when they arrive, and if they were in good order.

K.O. Improbable and ppc342, your dies were sent out a couple of days ago by Priority Mail.

Let me know when they arrive, and if they were in good order.

Ah good. Should arrive any day now, then. Assuming the post office is actually delivering my mail (I moved in about a month ago and haven't received even junk mail). I think I'll drop by the post office and make sure everything's in order.

The dies arrived today, and if not for a slightly torn priority mail sticker, I wouldn't have known they'd made a several-hundred mile trip. The box isn't even slightly malformed. Granted, it's a small box and you filled it tight with paper, so it had some good structural integrity. Thanks much for doing this for us, Bowfin!

Just got the dies in the mail today, merchandise as advertised. A BIG THANK YOU BOWFIN !!!!

Now, can someone who has tried this share some load data. I use Unique, W231 and H110 for all my other pistols and revolvers loads. Will these powders work for 32 NAA ? I'll buy new powder if I have to.

Thank you in advance.

Makarov.com has some reload, and balistics test info.

http://www.makarov.com/32naa/index.html

At the bottome of the .32NAA page are also PDF charts/lists, downloadable.

One set went out yesterday (Monday) and two today.

Thanks for the support, 19 sets yet to unload...

Hodgdon's website, surprisingly, has a good chunk of reloading data for .32 NAA. Despite the fact that they list data for Winchester powders, they do not list any for W231 for this cartridge, nor for H110. The powders they list are typical powders you'd see in .380 ACP.

.32 NAA has a SAAMI maximum pressure of 25,700. H110/296 needs a minimum of about 30,000 to burn reliably. It likes 35,000 better.

231 should work for a low pressure target load, but the case volume is small, so this charge could be quite small, say, as little as grain and a half or so. It depends on the bullet. I put the 90 grain roundnose Lee .311 cast bullet into QuickLOAD, seated to 0.906", and it looked like 2.5 grains of 231 could be handled. Start low and work up.

Thanks for all the good info on load data, really appreciate your input. I'll load up some when I can get some time.

Yesterday I tried to make two dummy rounds and found that it's quite tricky to seat the bullet straight into the case. I had to try several times to get the dummy round to look right. A few years ago I had this same problem with loading 7.62 X 25 round. When you roll them on it's side you can see the round wobble around. I guess you get better with practice.

That short neck is a killer on bullet alignment. Try pushing the ram up into the loading die just far enough to feel the bullet barely begin to seat. Withdraw the ram and rotate the case 180 degrees and seat it a little further. Repeat that a couple times more, then finish seating. See if that helps? It won't work every time, but it should reduce the problem.

My set of dies got here. Time to start setting up/playing with the reloading tools!

hseaver, your dies are going out tomorrow (Monday).

laserman11, yours went out last week, the same time as A'XE. I also sent out a set to a Bobby from Odessa at this time. Please give a holler when the show up.

If you can include your forum name, I would appreciate it, although it is no big deal. It's just that I don't care to put up names and addresses for any and all to see.

Travis, your dies went out today by priority mail.

Thank you :) I was asleep at the wheel there for a while,

Travis

Got my dies today, thanks again!

Got em yesterday, Thank you!

Okay, before I post the remaining dies on some other forums, does everybody here who wants a set, have a set? Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

Okay, before I post the remaining dies on some other forums, does everybody here who wants a set, have a set? Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
If you have any more 32naa dies, I'm interested. Thanks

I sent you a PM. I also have some Starline brass available, but I think .380 ACP brass will work fine. Anybody else know for sure?

Bowfin, if you still have any die sets available I'm interested.

Hello, just wondering if you have any more .32NAA dies left? Thanks.

Update on the .32 NAA die situation:

We are getting down to the end of the supply on .32 NAA dies. The process is getting somewhat ragged, as I have sets set aside for people who I haven't heard from since they spoke for a set months ago, so ALL sets are now available on a first come, first served basis. I will try to do a countdown on how many sets are left sometime next week, after the dust settles. There should be enough yet to go around for those who have asked so far, but it will be first come, first served.

Same with the Starline .32 NAA brass, though I am not too keen on selling this at all.

By the way, does anybody just neck down .380 brass to make .32 NAA? How does that work?

Bowfin,

If you still have some left I will take another set. I originally told you that I would take a set but since I had already bought some you told me it wasn't necessary.

I will however take a set if you need to get rid of them. I will give it to my friend Bob and then he can do some reloading for me. LOL

Cashflow,

The problem isn't in getting rid of them, it's somewhat the opposite. I was afraid that I would mail off the last set and then get two money orders from guys who I haven't heard from for a while, and get flamed for it.

Your generous offer is appreciated, but no need to buy them just to deplete the leftovers. I don't see any being left by the end of the month.

Anybody ever see any .41 AE ammo or brass?:(

Four sets left as of today...

Three sets left...

Bowfin,
Any more .32 naa dies?
I'm interested!

Yep, I still have the three sets left.

$52.00, includes shipping.

If you still have any .32 NAA dies, I'd like a set. I had eye surgery in late October; the surgeon screwed up and I wasn't sure if I'd ever be able to shoot (straight) again. Also, I don't see where to retrieve PM's from here...my email addy is zarvad"at"gmail.com.

Thanks & sorry for dropping off the radar.

We are down to two sets of dies, with one set going out to Arizona...

I'm in Arizona as well and would love a set (If you have any left).

PM sent. :)

PM right back at ya!

Yes, all you have to do to form .32 NAA brass from the .380 is to run it through the sizing die and trim to length if needed. I have not needed to trim any brass I have formed. Remember, unlike the .357 SIG which even though it is a bottlenecked case it still headspaces on the mouth (which is why you cannot form .357 SIG brass from .40 S&W) the .32 NAA headspaces on the shoulder so if the neck is a little short, big whoop. I've shot several hundred rounds of .32 NAA formed from .380 and it works perfectly.
Just be sure to lube the case properly.

Also, if you crimp, DO NOT seat and crimp in the same step. You will end up with loose bullets if you do. Seat to depth then back off the seat stem and crimp in a separate step.
If your bullets do not have a crimp groove, get the CH-4D cannelure tool which will put a crimp groove in the bullet in nothing flat.

bowfin, I am a new member here. I noticed by looking at this thread that i am at the tail end of things here, if that last set of 32naa dies available, i would be interested.

I never received a check from the guy who called for the last set and some brass, so I sent you a Private Message with details...

Anyone know how to check headspace on the newly formed brass?
I got my dies, Thanks Bowfin.
I usually have a headspace gauge for all my bottlenecks. But I can't find one for these.
The thing is, with the pressure these things generate, I don't want to find out the hard way that my shoulder was too low.

How have you guys been checking these?

:)

I never check any of mine. Since the shoulder blows way out, almost to the mouth when you fire the round you cannot do it the old fashioned way by setting the die to just bump the shoulder. I just run the size die until it hits the shellholder and remove all the slack. I have 3 or 4 loadings on some of the cases and they have not shown any sign of separating or splitting yet. However, since you essentially reform the case each time you are going to have to either anneal or get new brass more often than one normally would. Considering what a PITA it is to anneal such a small case, after 5 loadings if they have not split I'll go ahead a toss them and get new brass. I only use my reloads for practice anyway and .380 brass is pretty cheap.

If you have the Hornady OAL gauge (formerly Stoney Point) see if they have a headspace insert that is 0.350"? The seating gauge for .357 may be close enough, but you'd have to check? A hole that is 0.349" would touch down at a point on the shoulder that is 0.559" from the bottom of the head, according to the case drawing I have. If the hole were .350", then it would touch at 0.5576". In other words 1.4 thousandth height difference for each 1.0 thousandth hole diameter difference. But that is ideal, which assumes sharp corners. The actual case picture I see has rounded corners, so you could not use a hole diameter in the gauge that was very far off and still get a meaningful measurement.

Well after a half dozen false starts to get rid of the last two sets, I've listed them on Gunbroker.com

Thanks to all of you who were in this group buy!

Hey guy's I was on lee's site in the close out area! they claim to have a few of them 32naa dies there for sale !! might check with them and see IMO
Phat Mike