Does anyone have any advice a good set of weaver style rings and bases for my Winchester Model 70 short action. I was looking at the Burris Signature Zee rings or Weaver brand rings, burris doesn't make a weaver style bases, but i am even wondering if one weaver style base is better than another. Thoughts anyone?

The best Weaver "style" rings and bases are the Leupold QRW series.

All steel bases---as opposed to the alumium Weaver brand bases.

Z-rings are sorry excuse--as are the Weaver brand rings.


Get the QRW's and and don't look back.

Omaha should know , He won't own a remington because their "junk" and only shoots Dakota's, Kimbers, H.S. Precision etc. For the rest of us peasants , Weaver makes a Grand Slam Series of all steel bases if the aluminum ones worry you. I have n't had any trouble with properly installed aluminum ones though. I don't care for the weaver rings too much though , I find they make leveling the reticle a bit frustrating as they are tightened ( the tip off type rings) and looks wise they are not the prettiest(big thumbscrew on side). I haveused the Burris Z's for quite a while as well as others ,and find the burris to be a rock solid all steel , attactive alternative to the weaver rings, and only have to sorrily excuse them selves for being half as expensive as the leupold QRW's ( which are also a very nice set-up if you have to remove your scope often.


444fitch

Burris signature z-rings are without a doubt the way to go. they are rock solid and will not mar the finish on your scope.

if there is a need to remove the scope/ring combination simply alternate tightening the screws 1/8 turn at a time, as they begin to snug, and your zero will come back to within less than 1 moa. this is as good as most quick release rings.

as far as the aluminum weaver bases - they have been around for over 50 years with no problems. why not stay with something that is successful and proven.

Does anyone have any advice a good set of weaver style rings and bases for my Winchester Model 70 short action. I was looking at the Burris Signature Zee rings or Weaver brand rings, burris doesn't make a weaver style bases, but i am even wondering if one weaver style base is better than another. Thoughts anyone?

I would say the Leupold or Burris. They are both solid and I have used both brands. Though I a 3 Weaver Grand Slam scopes, I have not used their bases or rings. I have had problems with Weavers standard rings, in particular the screws holding the halves together. The front ring on my son's rifle failed this year because the screw broke (sheared in half). My son missed two deer before we realized what happened. Leupold rings are now on that rifle.

Hope this helps.

Lightning

Actually----I usually use Talley or Warne systems----but he asked about Weaver style---so I told him.

And---Yes---I do know----because I've been through them all.

I was once young and poor too----I'm trying to save you guys money in the long run by not making the same buying mistakes that I have.


Leupold also makes PRW(I think that's what they call em) rings at a lower cost then QRW rings.

The quick release are just so much nicer for taking the scope off for cleaning and carrying a spare scope for hunting.

A spare scope is cheap insurance for not missing a hunt when you are a long way from home and your good scope gets damaged.

Anymore---I also bring along a complete second rifle---instead of just a second scope.

Actually----I usually use Talley or Warne systems----but he asked about Weaver style---so I told him.

And---Yes---I do know----because I've been through them all.

I was once young and poor too----I'm trying to save you guys money in the long run by not making the same buying mistakes that I have.


Leupold also makes PRW(I think that's what they call em) rings at a lower cost then QRW rings.

The quick release are just so much nicer for taking the scope off for cleaning and carrying a spare scope for hunting.

A spare scope is cheap insurance for not missing a hunt when you are a long way from home and your good scope gets damaged.

Anymore---I also bring along a complete second rifle---instead of just a second scope.

The PRW's are what I got for my son's rifle and they are top-notch. Very solid and sturdy. Price isn't bad either - I think Brownells list them at $29.99.

Gentlemen,
I know we are all trying to help fellow shooters here and that is commendable. While we do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, we need to convey the lessons we've learned or the experiences we've had for our statements to have any worthwhile insight.

To merely dismiss one product or another as an inferior or useless product doesn't really tell us anything about it, other than you don't like it. It also creates a certain amount of tension among members who have used those products out of necessity, or choice, with satisfactory results.

What we need to hear from you if you don't like a particular product is why. If it is an inferior design, why do you think so? Give us some facts to go on. Same with materials, finish, functioning, etc...

Remember we are trying to help each other here, not start a fight.

Does anyone have any advice a good set of weaver style rings and bases for my Winchester Model 70 short action. I was looking at the Burris Signature Zee rings or Weaver brand rings, burris doesn't make a weaver style bases, but i am even wondering if one weaver style base is better than another. Thoughts anyone?

I've been looking at the Millett angle-loc mounts for my next rifle.
I've tried Talley, Leupold, Redfield, and Weaver all are good. These mounts from Millett kinda intrigue me.

Look at: www.millett sights.com

I've never used them, has anyone?
Tom

Yes, Tom -

I've got Millett Angle-Loc's on a couple of my rifles, one in particular is the 6.5mmx55 Swede I'm taking to Texas. Some folks have said they didn't think they made a very stable ring, but I've found they suit my needs, plus the fact you can windage adjust them if the mounting holes in the receiver aren't aligned precisely. Never had one shoot loose.

I use a Wheeler scope ring alignment and lapping set for all my scope mountings - the Milletts have worked well.

Number one reason for scopes being torn off of the action (other than incorrect mounting, otherwise known as failure to follow directions) is too heavy of a scope for the recoil involved.

Put a big scope with a 50mm objective and a 30mm tube on a flyweight rifle in a magnum cartridge and you WILL have problems - sooner or later, I guarantee it.

I find the Weaver bases hold up just fine, on guns with fairly standard cartridges, with standard sized scopes.

On my .458 I went with Warne rings and bases. I also put a Leupold 1.5x5 scope on it (20mm objective) which is one of the lightest variable power scopes you can find. I'm sure it won't be a problem.

The rest of my guns - either the integral rings/bases (Ruger) or whatever was convenient, a mix of 'Redfield style' (front dovetail / rear windage) or Weaver-style. I have a .338 Win mag and a fairly light .35 Rem which kicks more than you would expect. Also a lot of rounds downrange in a .30-06 with nary a problem in a standard sized rifle.

The aluminum in a Weaver scope base is much thicker than the aluminum scope tube in ANY scope. If you are tearing the base apart - you did something drastically wrong.

Steel bases are nice and strong.... and add a bunch of stress to the mounting screws due to the added weight.

Jb, I don't see what cartridge your gun is chambered for, or what scope you plan on using. That would be useful information.

The weaver-style base actually has some advantages, being a true return-to-zero base if you exercise some care in taking the scope on and off, and also it spreads the recoil equally to both rings if installed correctly, whereas the standard 'Redfield style' scope base puts most of the stress on the front ring.

Amen, Alyeska

444fitch

I was planning on using 2 simmons scopes, one is a 3-9x40 for deer/turkey situations where i will be in timber. the other scope is a 6.5-20x40 which i plan on using on groundhogs and the like. the scopes will be on top of my Winchester Model 70 featherweight in .243 winchester. I use 100gr. nosler partitions for deer and 55gr nosler ballistic silvertips for groundhogs. I am intrigued by the new signature line of zee rings that have the plastic inserts which keep the scope square and also, there are insersts which allow the point of aim to be moved without shimming the bases.

The .243 isn't really a shoulder buster as far as recoil is concerned, so I'd just go with whatever you think you'd like best.

I went to the gunshop and ordered Signture Zee rings and weaver bases, should be in by next tuesday, if the weather is decent here(snowing and windy now) next week i will probably slap them on and give'em a try and let everyone know how it goes. Next question, what is the best way to detach/remount scopes in order to maintain zero

Well there isn't much too it with Weaver rings. Just unscrew the big knob or lever or screw or whatever on the sideof the ring. You'll notice how they will draw back up when they are tightened. Only thing you want to make sure of is, that when you put them back there isn't a bunch of gunk stuck between the rings & bases, which would put them in a different spot, AND you want to push the scope fully forward before you tighten down the screw. Leave the rings on the scope, of course.

Make sense? I think it will when you get them and take a look.

The Burris Signature "Zee" rings you mention having purchased have a through-bolt at the base. This bolt must be removed to install the rings and reinstalled to mate them to the base. When ready to remove, simply unscrew the bolt and slip the scope and rings off the base(s). When wanting to reinstall, slip the rings back on the base(s) and retighten to same torque as before taking them off. Keep the installed orientation of the slots on the screws in mind when reinstalling. Should put you back on target within a MOA or two.

I have resolved the whole issue, I bought a new gun. It is a custom rifle built on a Remington 788 action, it has a freefloated douglas signature barrel w/ compensator and a reworked trigger. The scope is a tasco(not the best, i know, but it seems pretty decent) it has a leupold 1 peice base and rings (i am not sure which rings, but they appear to be a double dovetail set) i appreciate all the advice, even though it is kinda irrelevant, but it is good info for the future