Numrich has a ghost ring type set up that attaches directly to the factory rear sight leaf with no modifications. It fits Winchester models 92, 94, 94AE, 9422 and 9410.

Aperture Rear Sight, One Hole - 9/64" Aperture. Black Phosphate Finish. Instructions & 2 Attaching Screws Included. Attaches W/ No Modifications. Item# YZ880560 $30.95

Here is the web page with picture.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/featureproduct.asp?chrProductSKU=880560&Super=Y&MC=YJ

I do not have one yet but I intend to acquire one or more(if I like it).

Now an idea that I have been playing with is along the same lines. Why not make semi-buckhorn and full buckhorn sights that attach the same way? That way you do not have to replace the whole rear sight assembly just the rear aperture.

Looks like what I may try next. I would rather try that and see how it works, for the $31, than spend $70+ and likely have to change out the front sight as well.

Good find! Thanks for the info.

Note though that it doesn't work with all Winnies. The older ones w/o the adj. screws on the blade won't work, much to my disappointment.

Ghost ring sights need to be near the eye to function properly. This would just be a forward mounted peep sight. ==Bob

Sorry, I should have mentioned that they were for post 64 Winchesters.

It is a false interpretation that the ghost ring needs to be near the eye for it to function properly. The scout rifle concept clearly makes that idea incorrect. You need to let go of urban myths and good ol' shooter tales. The ghost ring sight works great for double barreled shotguns. Jim Crews http://www.marksmans.com/ had one set up on one of his shotguns he used for training years ago. And the ghost ring sight was nowhere near his eye. It was mounted on the barrel. It worked. But I guess he didn't know it wouldn't work.

Contact Jim Crews for a better description on how this works. He is much more elequent and better informed than me. I just know it works. He had that old Falcon sight mounted on his AR15 Flat-top Carry Handle (Tactical) at Gunsight. Everyone liked it. The idea caught on. Too bad he never got credit for it.

He also gives instructions on just about every type of firearm. If you want to learn how to use your lever action for combat training then he is the man to see.

Yah, they list "1892" and I don't know which '92 they're talking about?

I'll have to side with pourboy on this one. I am skeptical of a forward mounted peep being as effective as a rear mounted one in terms of ease of use and accuracy....but I have been wrong about alot of things before!

One Ragged Hole http://www.oneraggedhole.com/The_RUGER_One.htm makes an aperture of the same type for Ruger/BFR handguns. Aro-Tek http://www.arotek.com/ makes ghost ring sight set for Glocks and now 1911's. AmeriGlo http://www.ameriglo.net/pages/weaponsights.html makes them for handguns.

Does this mean that in order to shoot a handgun effectively, using ghost ring sights, I would have to hold the handgun close up to my face so I can have the ghost ring sight pretty close to my eye so that the eye does not have to force itself to look through it as it does when it forces itself to line up the front sight blade with the rear aperture?

Please explain the difference between a ghost ring sight on a handgun and a ghost ring sight placed on the rear leaf of a rifle regarding the ghost ring theory.

Yanqui.....no offense meant, and perhaps I spoke too soon. Also...not trying to poo-poo anyones idea. Obviously, you have some good experience with these barrel ghost rings and like them. I would like to try one someday and see how it does. I guess when your talking ghost ring you might be just as well off with the system under discussion. I envision myself as having a hard time "looking through the doughnut" without trying to center the blade like a traditional open sight. But this may be a non-issue and of no consequence...again...have to try it to find out if it is so! Also...I have always thought that the longer site radius you have with a peep, the better off you are. My only peep experience(that doesn't sound too good does it?)is with Williams on my big bore 94 and the M16A1 I toted for 3 years in the Army. So, I am still learning. Good luck to all.

An aperture sight is used to focus your vision on the front sight. As you look through the hole, you eye's focus is drawn to the center. "Ghost ring" is a term used to describe a large diameter aperture with a thin rim, as opposed to a smaller diameter, wide rim target sight. In theory, you can mount an aperture as far forward as you want, you just need to make the hole bigger. Mount it closer to your eye and you can make the hole smaller, thus decreasing sight alignment errors. Now, take a relatively large, thin rimmed hole mounted close to the eye and you end up automatically centering the front sight without really "seeing" the rear sight. Hence, the term "ghost ring". I haven't tried the pistol sights or the sight for the Winchester, but theoretically it should work. Then again, theoretically a bumblebee shouldn't fly. I guess I'll have to buy one and try it.
Good shooting,
HP

I have one of those factory blade replacements on an SKS. My unit was made by Williams. It is not a ghost ring and the rear sight does not fade out of your vision like a ghost ring would. Neither is it as fast to acquire as a ghost ring would be. It works and is better than the factory blade, but not nearly as good as an aperture mounted at the rear of the receiver.

I knew this one would get comments. I pondered the "one ragged hole" sight for my SBH because I have trouble with the factory sight. I have not done it and I shoot better all the time with the factory sights.

I put a AO ghost ring on my 1894 because I thought it would be better for hunting. Now I question. I think I was shooting better with the buckhorn even though I have a lot of trouble because of old eyes.

I guess what I am saying is I will keep trying until something works. Just hope the eyes don't get too bad before I get what I want. At 51 it is a never ending battle.

Still think I shoot best with the buckhorn.

I've been thinking about this thread. I posted the same in other forums. And I believe that it was my fault that it went off in the wrong discussion. In the title I called it a "Ghost-ring" and in fact the ad never calls it by that name. On the web sites for One Ragged Hole and Numrich it is never called a Ghost-ring sight. They call it an "aperture." Even though I tried to make the distinction by calling it "Type" , there was enough to information to make it confusing.

In the future I will have to be more precise and clear in my wording.

Call me cheap but I wish one of you guys would buy this sight and post something about what you think of it to let the rest of us know what to do. It sure looks interesting to me.

Call me cheap but I wish one of you guys would buy this sight and post something about what you think of it to let the rest of us know what to do. It sure looks interesting to me.

The result would be nearly identical to the Williams blade replacement on my SKS. See my comments above.

Just reporting that I obtained an aperture from Numrich for my Winchester Trapper. I took it out to give it a try last evening. It does not work like a traditional ghost-ring sight with the rear sight fading out. You may fill the need to lighten up the front sight and maybe put corresponding dots on the rear sight much like the handgun sights. A thing I noticed is to keep both eyes open like a ghost-ring. And you still have a wide view of the area. It doesn't have the point blank focus of the ghost-ring but then a ghost-ring puts you into a tunnel vision sort of way. I'll have to play with it some more.

Another thing, if important to you, is it keeps the traditional look of the lever action. But I will have to see about cleaning up the the aperture housing. It needs more cuts and deep curves and maybe some little engraving lines. Maybe have it color cased colored.

Thanks for your report, Yanqui - If it does not functin well enough for your likes, I may just go ahead and get the Williams FP.

Been shoting a 6.5 Jap. As issued, the rear sight is an apature loaced where a normal leaf sight would be (not unlike the apature in these posts). The sliding bar is also an apature.

Doesn't give the same beneifits as a true, close to the eye, apature, and at first I doubted I could shoot well with it. While not the same, it is useful, and can be shot well.
(and you'll have to hear comments like, "OH...so that's why they squint.")

You don't get that self-centering, forget about the rear hole effect of a tang or reciever mounted apature...but you get something. Eye does want to center the blade into the circle, it's not as conscious as a notch sight.

So...expeimented a bit. If I flip up the slider, and move the slider up, have a clear look at the front sight through the legs of the slider. Cut a thin piece of metal, slotted it to a nice square rear notch, painted it flat black and GLUED it in place. SHot about 4" high and 6" to the left, but group location isn't important for comparison between sight types.

IF there was any differnce in group size, would take a few hundred groups to proove it. But I will say that the forward placed apature SEEMS to be a tiny bit faster to line up.

I have an aperture sight like this on my Ruger #1, but it isn't made by "One Ragged Hole" or any other company. I made it myself. For a long time I had the idea to replace the little slide in the common folding-style rear sight (Lyman and others) with an aperture version. I couldn't find one commercially, so I made one. I started with galvanized plumbers strap (roll of sheet steel with holes punched in it for suspending pipe). The screw holes are DANG SMALL so I fashioned a "drill" out of a hardened needle and poked it through with my high speed hand grinder. Slotted the holes with a remnant of small cutoff wheel. Enlarged the aperture till I could see something through it (about 1/4 inch dia). Filed and stoned and shaped till it fit in place of the original slide. It works great. This was several years ago. The first commercial version I saw was a few years later on the Ruger Deerfield carbine. Then I started seeing the "One Ragged Hole" adds about a year or less ago. So I take credit for the invention. ;)

The thing works great. I would caution prospective buyers to be careful in aperture size selection. For hunting, I personally believe no aperture should be less than about 1/4 inch diameter. Smaller holes just disappear into the darkness late in the day when deer movement is most likely. The farther away the aperture is from your eye, the larger you want the aperture. Smaller apertures can be used for target or daylight shooting, but even in this application I do not like small apertures.

If you are wanting to replace the slide in your factory rear sight with an aperture, I advise to go absolutely no smaller than 1/4 inch diameter aperture.

"And that's my HUGE opinion."

Live well

Thanks Yanqui for your effort. Last week I bougt the Williams 5D receiver sight on sale from Midway USA for $26.95. Cheaper than the One Ragged Hole sight

Hey, whatever works best, home made or store bought. That is why this place and others like it exist. To share knowledge.