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Old 03-03-2006, 01:33 AM
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Well well well,
Hey there guys Ive been back from o/s for about 2 weeks now running around like a chicken with my head cut-off orgaising things for uni, work and my new place in Melbourne.
God its hot down here now. Just finished my first week back at uni and hating it with a passion.

I caught up on some threads you guys have been posting. I like the master and apprentice one dave, unreal! Sounds like I have missed out on a bit while I have been overseas hitting the ski slopes and playing the backpacker/tourist throughout Europe and Cananda and the US. At least I know someone is keeping the goat pops in check!

I’ll just let ya know guys that it was freezing over there but I loved it all a whole heap. Without going into the nitty gritty details of hostel living and traveling with my uni mates we’ll just say it all got a bit crazy at times but was well worth the credit card bills!

I tell ya what tho I was glad to make it home after a weary journey. I still haven’t had a chance to go hunting since I got back but I have been fishing a bit with my old man before uni started up and work wasn’t too much of a prob. Daylight savings is just the best!
I did go out and run some rounds through my working progress (my cz452 in .22wmr) and it all proved a waste of time. After the works I have done to it (floated barrel, bedded action, trigger imrpov kit, new scope mounts) there has been no imrprovement in the erratic behaviour of how it likes to group. Back to the drawing board I guess. Any ideas? I think I might take it to a gunsmith soon cos I'm running out of ideas but Ive spent so much time on it I really love the thing and don’t wanna part with it to get something that I know will shoot.

Well boys keep up the posts cos I like to read about whats happening out there and now I'm back at uni I will def have time to keep the posts’a’runnning.
I hope this works I will try and attach some photos of a pig I shot when I flew a plane up to bourke before I went o/s. I had to resize it all and I know it wont be that clear so I will just post the two until I can figure the whole thing out. Btw the rifle if you find interesting was one of the nicest rifles I have shot (not really saying too much in my limited experience!). it is a custom 308 and has a shortish barrel (maybe 18-19inch) and is the steadiest thing I have ever held. Cos of the heft it was a bit of a handful on offhand shots and the fleeing swine, but with a rest just a dream to shoot and hold steady.
Till next time cheers guys,

Lockie
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Old 03-03-2006, 02:09 AM
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Well well well,
Hey there guys Ive been back from o/s for about 2 weeks now running around like a chicken with my head cut-off orgaising things for uni, work and my new place in Melbourne.
God its hot down here now. Just finished my first week back at uni and hating it with a passion.

I caught up on some threads you guys have been posting. I like the master and apprentice one dave, unreal! Sounds like I have missed out on a bit while I have been overseas hitting the ski slopes and playing the backpacker/tourist throughout Europe and Cananda and the US. At least I know someone is keeping the goat pops in check!

I’ll just let ya know guys that it was freezing over there but I loved it all a whole heap. Without going into the nitty gritty details of hostel living and traveling with my uni mates we’ll just say it all got a bit crazy at times but was well worth the credit card bills!

I tell ya what tho I was glad to make it home after a weary journey. I still haven’t had a chance to go hunting since I got back but I have been fishing a bit with my old man before uni started up and work wasn’t too much of a prob. Daylight savings is just the best!
I did go out and run some rounds through my working progress (my cz452 in .22wmr) and it all proved a waste of time. After the works I have done to it (floated barrel, bedded action, trigger imrpov kit, new scope mounts) there has been no imrprovement in the erratic behaviour of how it likes to group. Back to the drawing board I guess. Any ideas? I think I might take it to a gunsmith soon cos I'm running out of ideas but Ive spent so much time on it I really love the thing and don’t wanna part with it to get something that I know will shoot.

Well boys keep up the posts cos I like to read about whats happening out there and now I'm back at uni I will def have time to keep the posts’a’runnning.
I hope this works I will try and attach some photos of a pig I shot when I flew a plane up to bourke before I went o/s. I had to resize it all and I know it wont be that clear so I will just post the two until I can figure the whole thing out. Btw the rifle if you find interesting was one of the nicest rifles I have shot (not really saying too much in my limited experience!). it is a custom 308 and has a shortish barrel (maybe 18-19inch) and is the steadiest thing I have ever held. Cos of the heft it was a bit of a handful on offhand shots and the fleeing swine, but with a rest just a dream to shoot and hold steady.
Till next time cheers guys,

Lockie

Mate glad to see ya Back ! That's a fine lookin Porker ya got yourself there!That .308 looks to have almost a Bull barrel .Makes me tired just lookin at it let alone trying to lift it I reckon it would of shot like steam though ! Good news though is Kombi is building me a Martini .303 imp (I've given up on the 25-20 ) I have a very nasty feeling he'll have something to say about this though ! I've got a Martini on it's way but I'm going for 270-303imp as it's going to be a working rifle ! Take care hear from you soon (If kombi don't take a contract out on me )

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Old 03-04-2006, 11:56 PM
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thanks for the welcome back dave.
i can tell you i am glad to be back here.
if you thought that was a good porker you should have seen some of his companions! i will def be back up that way again sometime in the future. not many big pigs but the diversity of the country they live in is great and some have ok ivory. it can be open plains with a flat shooter, or a lever action or shottie in the thick stuff.

whats the go with kombi building you a 303imp. is he quite the handy gunsmith? that sounds like a good fun project tho. i am all for tinkering and making up your own gun etc even tho i have only done the tinkering thing and it has made me more frustrated than ever! but when i get it right it will be worth the fact that i can see a few greay hairs appearing (he says as he looks closely in the mirror)!
so what will this gun be used for? another goat/camel killer?

my uncle has a property down here and it is ridden with goats at moment and that is even after the really heavy bushfires the area experienced while i was away. i will be getting stuck into them with a borrowed 22?250 in the near future when uni and work let me have more than a quarter of a day off at a time. some big stinkers in there i tell you and lots of kids floating around with them which shows that they are doing well despite the hardships.

got a question for ya dave. your son and your handguns (the 44mag and cant remember the other one) out in the field? do you take them out to go hunting? if so how? i was under the impression that handguns could only be used at specific places and not to go anywhere else cos they are concealed weapons. i would love to own one when i get weekends back so that i can go to the 10 shoots or whatever it is in the year that is the mandatory requirement. i would only get one tho if i could use it out in the field, cos punching paper all the time just doesnt get my goat so to speak. i think for me hunting is mainly where it is at.
gotta run and get stuck into some study for the upcomcing week. hit me back.

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Old 03-05-2006, 01:23 AM
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She's right! mate, Kombie & I have had a long standing joke reguards a martini cadet his got in 25-20 ! I'm always trying to get him to give it to me ! Well recently his aquired a Martini .303 action (probarly rolled a old drunk to get it ) & his getting it done as a .303 imp & so it stands to reason that he should give it up to me ! On a serious note I'm sure he'll be happy with it as his getting the stock done by Geff Slee & the metal work /barrel done at Sprinter arms!
Not to be out done I have a Martini on it's way & mine is getting rebarreled for 270-303imp by Sprinters ! I'm looking at a New working rifle! & as weight is not a issue .It will sport a 26inch medium weight barrel (of course Keith at Sprinters dosen't realise this yet & I want to see the expresstion on his face when I order it so it's worth the trip to Adeliade to see it ) The reamer I have the use of is one of two that were ever built by a Chap by the name of Sid Churches who manufactured the origanal Tipian bullets & many Odd wild cats ! I have seen the results of a Roo hit in the neck at 200 mtrs by one of these creations & to say the least it was impressive ! Yes it will be a camel rifle to say nothing of a long range goat buster !
Hate to break the News to you about hand guns but to use one in the field you have to be a primary producer (My name is on the deed s to the family farm /station
but there is more to handgunning than punching paper there is Cowboy single action ,& metalic sil . Ev was holding his ruger single 6 in .22/.22mag convertable which I normaly carry around here for little jobs like Emus caught in fences ,goats anoying me & on one occassion a large Steer that had been yarded in our stock yard without my permission ! By a certain gent who is also a National Parks & wildlife inspector !

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Old 03-05-2006, 01:05 PM
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hey dave thanks for the quick reply. when im at uni i practically live on the interent so i keep a clos e eye on whats happening here. you're quite the stirrer arent you dave?
i think i have read a bit about this martini, and i am in agreeance with you i think that kombi should give it to you, for no other rason than he's just a good bloke and you asked him! he he, nah justa joshin'. he should work on it and make himself that 303imp and then when yours is done aswell you should go out together with the 270/303 imp and kombi's and chase down some ferals.
a 26 inch barrel? wow thats a long barrell. i would love to build a long range outfit one day. i just think it would be worth the work to get in line with a gunsmith and work through to your ideal rifle. a fun but probably expensive lil project.

dave if i wanted to send my rifle to a gunsmith how do i do it? i mean in aust they wouldnt really be wanting to mail a firearm or would they?
it just seems that all the gunsmiths i can find are all just a bit too far to go to on my short schedule.

on another note i went to the gun shop in melb to pick up a whole heap of different ammo to see if my cz likes any of it. if its a no go, i'll try a diff scope and then if all else fails new scope, then selling!
i just wanna be able to pick it up and go when i have the chance cos there is so much hunting down here that i can get to with mates at short notice (i.e. they live on small properties). its just a waste of good hunting weather.

in the next few months i am thinking of getting a fox/goat rifle in the .223 rem. that is of course if the finances hold up (b/w yu and me i think it might be abit longer).

you mentioned your reamer and the taipan bulletsre raved about by technical editor of "sporting shooter" nick harvey.
oh thats too bad about being able to use a handgun in the field. i guess all i have to do is keep putting money away until i can purcahse the ultimate hunting accesory, a hunting property that also has primary producer status!
my mate up at bourke wants to go all autos so he said, i didnt know anything bout the law pertaining to it all but wished him luck. he has around 210,000acres. i hope he gets it.
oh well i cant win em' all.

im excited for you and kombi about your new projects. good luck with them, enjoy the trip to adelaide and then get me some goats.
cheerio

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Old 03-05-2006, 03:49 PM
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Stirrer? Who me? Mate I would'nt say S@#t to a Canary
But down to Business . Good move on getting a whole lot of different ammo for the CZ .Rimfires are a real pain in the Bum ! Unlike a centre fire you can't muck around with loads you have to try & find ammo that your rifle likes! The thing with a magnum is to remember the bullets are not waxed like a rimfire & so must be cleaned after use !I personaly hate sighting in rifles ,but when I'm forced to do it ,I start with a good solid rest ,plenty of time , & all the rifles I have to do ! Comptumus amounts of coffee, 32 pkts of smokes ,a sign warning that there will be course language for the next several hours !
When ajusting your scope a trick I learnt years ago is to lightly tap the body of the scope with a lead pencil after each ajustment ,as this will enable the inner workings to move if their sticky other wise you may make several ajustments & then the crosshairs will move all of a sudden & put it out to far the other way !
I'm not sure what the go is with Aussie post at the moment so far as shipping firearms within auz ! So you might have to contact the Gunsmith you want to deal through & get his methord of shipping (If you want I can give you the details of a couple of Smiths that I use & their hourly rate is very compeditive )
Now whilst the .223 is a great round & yes most of us Pros use em for Roos . I feel that whilst it's a great round for foxes ,I wonder if you should'nt be looking for something a little heavier for goats ? Now with out being offensive ,Your still young ,& a student might I suggest you look around for a 22-250 ,or a 25-303 (I could help you with cases for it ) These can be found very cheaply & will handle anything your going to encounter ! Even a .303 can be fitted with a scope Failing this & you have your heart set on a .223 ! I'll put you on to my gun guy & I'm sure he'll have something hidden in his safes that won't break the bank & will be a real shooter (I'll have a "word" with him)
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Old 03-06-2006, 03:04 PM
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yeah you the stirrer!

yeah dave i keep on hearing how temperamental rimfires are and there is another website i get to visiting to answer some of my questions and it is a wealth of information but only rerally for rimfires. its rimfirecentral.com and there is just so much there it is mind boggling. if you've had a problem, sure neough there have beeen anywhere b/w 2-100 blokes with the same deal. the hard part is finding it at times!
so we'll see how i go with the new ammo, and then i have been told to get a new scope cos apparently "tasco's are useless and jsut take up room on top of your rifle". i had always read that they were a good medium-low level entry in the scope market? oh well these guys dont really like them too much. whaddya reckon?
yeah i am fairly meticulous with cleaning her. no more than 50 rounds and she gets a a good bore scrub and wipe. only occassionally on a nights spotlighting does it get more than 50 put through (but not by much) in one session. and thatrs only cos my mates dont realise that you HAVE to clean your gun in order to maintain accuracy. they tend to blame other factors when they atart missing repetitively easy shots.
i like yuor style with the sighting in technique. i am not much of a paper puncher, only to test the performance of the gun so that you can see clearly what it is doing shot after shot. i like shoting home amde targets like water filled bottle but really i would prefer to save my ammuntion for hunting so that i can fire off more rounds in the field after ferals.
i'll give that scope tapping a go. i think i have heard someone else say something along those lines but i will def give it a go when adjusting. thanks.
yeah tough choice with the calibres. the goat hunting i do will be all under around 80m or so so not sure if i need more gun. whaddya you think? i was also maybe thiunking of a .243 or the .22/250 but the ammo price might lean me towards the .223 as i wont be taking all that many goats. the thing is i also want a rifle that i may be able to take up north pig hunting should the need arise, but then there are just too many variables and i think i am best off settling on a lighter calibre and if a trip up north comes about again anytime soon then just borrow guns. i have seen too many pigs dave get hit with .222 and .223's and get away oinking like no tomoz. i think from what i have seen a .243 is prob best for pigs considering you may come across a big porker at some stage and wanna drop him as well as all the little ones around him that could probably be dropped with a .222.
recoil of the gun was another factor. i have shot a 25/06 and it was a great performer on anything this fella put it on but i thought just a bit too much recoil for something that will fire off as many as 50 rounds in a night. so im not sure about a 303. and i dont really wanna reload for it at this stage. although building up loads and tinkering with them i just dont have the time but it is def on the cards down the line.
the bulk of shooting will be for rabbits, foxes, hares, cats and then the occassional goat.
yeah hit me back with what you think about this post dave and i'll just keep on dreaming of another rifle at this stage but down the line it may dfef be a good idea to call on some of your contacts.
i gtg and get stuck into some work but will keep an eye on here for ya.
thanks dave.
cheers
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Old 03-06-2006, 09:27 PM
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Mate a .243 would be the ideal choice for anything your going to encounter ! I agree with you on the 222 ,great target cal but it just doesnt have the get out there & knock em flat . Recoil is almost nonexcistant ! Also for any centre fire your really going to have to look at reloads to make it affordable,although on saying this PMC & PMX (Highlander) produce fairly cheap ammo! I'd recomend one of the little Lee hand loaders as they come with every thing take up next to no space & the only down side is that you can only neck size (no big deal ) This gives you the added advantage of tailoring your loads to shot what ever game your going after. For the samall game you mention . You can't beat the .22mag if your not interested in reloading ! Personally I've always prefered the hornet but I shoot great volumes & reloading is the only viable way for me ! A scope I can really recomend in the lower price range is the Bushnell ,Banners ! Tasco ,BSA, Nikko stirling are the sort of scopes you give to people you really don't like ! Leoupold although getting on the pricey side have the best after market service ,I've ever encountered

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Old 03-08-2006, 06:13 PM
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Wink thanks a bunch!!

thanks dave for the insight into some technical "stuff". from all that i have read on rimfirecntral.com my CZ is capable fo much more accuracy than what i am getting so i think as i can save up some coin i will rip off the tasco and save it for a .22lr that i will get somewhere down the line (still a long way off yet but its something that def needs to be in the safe for just an occassion when the magnum is overkill or too pricey). everyone i speak to love leopualds so they def sound the way to go! ill look into prices etc but for the moment ill check out a bushnell and see what the go is there with regard to price on ebay. or is there somewhere i can get a second hand one in australia? the only place i know where there are second hand scopes, guns etc are in the pages of australian shooter magazine (of course i can always check a gun shop!).
ill go hit some websites and see what i come up with. meanwhile seeings you always appear that you can always go out hunting go and have some fun for me in your back blocks while i swelter it out in our airconditioed computer lab at uni!
till next time happy hunting.

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Old 03-08-2006, 06:54 PM
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dave,
just been doing some research on net re: scopes.
NEW BUSHNELL SPORTSMAN 3-9 X 40 MATTE SCOPE $50USD (roughly $75AUD with postage and handling).
any good?
everyone always says you get what you pay for but i am so unsure about scopes. i thought you just go with a brand name, but there are cheap deals all over the web and it just seems crazy. are they good deals or terrible scopes?
should i just go for a particular brand and make that i like and hunt it down? there is just so much literature out there about this sorta thing. i thought i had a pretty good grasp on most firearm related issues but scopes that "work the way they should" are just one of lifes many conundrums.
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Old 03-08-2006, 08:07 PM
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Lokie that's a ****ed good price for a bushnell ! Their a good scope thrown into the bargin ! Your right of cousre there has /is enough writtern about scopes to sink a fleet of battle ships out there! Now the rule of thumb is to buy the best you can afford ! I always am amazed how a Bloke will spend big money on a Rifle & then put the cheapest Glass on it he can find ! Just don't make sense to me ! Mounts are another consideration ! I like weaver & contrel . Stay clear of really cheap Mounts ! Remember they are the foundation of the scope & the best scope in the world ain't going to be worth a kg of Rocking horse droppings if it ain't on a good set of mounts !

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:11 AM
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lockielegend,

skip the sports view.. The bushnell banner series gets good reviews.. Don't know if Cabelas will sell to ya, but there Pineview series gets good reviews (and they are excelent at standing behind there products)..

Had a sprots view that was kill bu a 1+K mile truck ride in a hard padded case, aon the interstes

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Old 03-10-2006, 01:41 AM
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thanks for the help guys. im on the case now with a bit more to research.
ill keep ya posted. in the meantime happy hunting and keep out of mischief (mainly directed at you there dave!).
cheers
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:02 AM
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keep out of mischief

Who me ? I'll have you know that my credentles are spotless ! Just ask the National Parks & Wild life inspector that lives about three,Properties up from us (esp since the day he yarded a Bullock in our yards with out my permission & I shot it ! then had him charged with Trespass & the cost of it's removal! Hey it was a pay back for a false aligation he tried to pin on me !) Or a Gentleman who caught me once at 3am in his paddock removing one of (as it turned out )his sheep ! I tried to explain that I thought it was one of ours ! He replied it was approx 30 kms from our place !!!!!!!I tried to explain that I thought it had maybe caught a Bus or taken a Taxi & was visiting ? But Mischief ? Me ? don't know the meaning of the word !

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Old 03-15-2006, 06:07 PM
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Hey Lockie,

Nice looking oinker you shot there. Sounds like you had a fine vacation to boot. Don't let uni drag you down.

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Hey Lockie,

Nice looking oinker you shot there. Sounds like you had a fine vacation to boot. Don't let uni drag you down.

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hi there gringo,
thanks gringo it sure was a great trip. the flying up there was good fun and the time on the gorund was even better. for somewhere that looks so desolate there is a heap of diff animals to see and maybe hunt.
dont worry bout uni bringing me down it is still early days of this semester so lets just say there is much partying at the moment and class hasnt really got so much attention yet. but i guess next week things will start to get back to routine and we can slow down our homebrew beer productions! he he gotta love summer weather!
one more year and im outta here and thank god for that.
cheers and happy hunting over there in texas.

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She's right! mate, Kombie & I have had a long standing joke reguards a martini cadet his got in 25-20 ! I'm always trying to get him to give it to me ! Well recently his aquired a Martini .303 action (probarly rolled a old drunk to get it ) & his getting it done as a .303 imp & so it stands to reason that he should give it up to me ! On a serious note I'm sure he'll be happy with it as his getting the stock done by Geff Slee & the metal work /barrel done at Sprinter arms!
Not to be out done I have a Martini on it's way & mine is getting rebarreled for 270-303imp by Sprinters ! I'm looking at a New working rifle! & as weight is not a issue .It will sport a 26inch medium weight barrel (of course Keith at Sprinters dosen't realise this yet & I want to see the expresstion on his face when I order it so it's worth the trip to Adeliade to see it ) The reamer I have the use of is one of two that were ever built by a Chap by the name of Sid Churches who manufactured the origanal Tipian bullets & many Odd wild cats ! I have seen the results of a Roo hit in the neck at 200 mtrs by one of these creations & to say the least it was impressive ! Yes it will be a camel rifle to say nothing of a long range goat buster !
SPRUNG!!!
Once again I find you're claiming my guns while my back is turned.
Poor Dave.
He does have these delusions.
BTW, why 303/270 Imp for a working rifle?
Wouldn't the 303 Imp be easier, or simply another 303 Brit?
And are you getting dies made up for this?
What sort of performance figures does your Improved 303/270 have?
Out of interest Dave, how much experience have you had with cartridges like the 303/22 Falcon and 303/22 Sprinter?
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I'm sorry Andy sometimes when I'm left sitting on the front veranda ,with a rug over my legs & somebody comming out to wipe the drool from my mouth ! The mists of my Dementure ridden mind clear & I suddenly think to myself ........Kombie will seperate from his Martinis with out me priseing them from his dead cold fingers But it soon passes !!!!!!

The 270-303 improved is unuseal to say the least but was a great improvement on the origanial! It takes the performance to about that of the .270WIN ! As a Roo rifle it is in a class of it's own ! As for dies I'll have to get the Simplex factory or (Kieth at sprinters) to reem a set of standard dies with the improved reemer . It is no secret that I have never been a great Fan of the standard 270-303 ! I think the main reason for going for a slightly unuseal cal like this is the need I feel for something differant for a change (Mid life crisis ????) I must admit I have thought of maybe a 25-303 improved but I have my mind set on the 270 . If I was going to use this rifle for anything heavier than Roos it would go straight to 303!

AH the 22-303 family ! Theres a subject dear to my heart ! Yes in my younger days I played round with most of the 22-303 variants at some stage There was the Sprinter which was a shorterend version the Imp which was shorterned to about 1 inch (now there was a round that caused many a nevious break down in the forming process ) The Falcon was the pick of the bunch being the full lenght case but never took of in popularity as people never exploited it's potential (Old cry MKIII actions ) Yet on a Pat14 action it came into its own ! There was also the .224 improved ! (falcon case with the shoulder reformed from 60% to 45 % ) This was used with .220 swift ballistics + on Pat 14 actions !!! Hector Bridgeman ,the founder of Sprinter Arms claimed to have created the Sprinter round but I have never been able to conferm this! He & Sid Churches of Tiapan bullet fame apparently cooked up many wild cats on the .303 & assisted Bill Hambly-Clark snr In the creation of the 35-303 (which was designed for use in the NT when the laws up there forbade anyone appart from Pro shooters of owning a firearm with more than a 2000fps MV)
(I'll catch up with you Sunday night & we will disscuss this at lenght )

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"Prise them from his dead cold hands"..........mmmm, I like the sound of that.
Get used to the idea, Dave.
Now, talking of the .22 Sprinter, I actually just looked up Cartridges of The World 10th Ed. and it features a small chapter called "Wildcats Down Under" by Breil Jackson, better known as the editor of Guns & Game, an Aussie hunting quarterly publication.
It mentions all of the popular wildcats and also has a pic of the 303/22 Sprinter.
I'd reckon there's a 1/4 of an inch shortening if that.
Yeah, it'd be fun to form.
Probably the biggest fun would be setting the shoulder back.
From there you have to try and neck down to .224 with crumpling the neck, fun enough on a 303/25, downright tight rope work for a .22 cal.
ADI's Handloaders Guide 3rd Edition(the one before the current edition) actually lists data for the Sprinter, the Swift(303/22) and the Falcon.
It's a cagey on accurate velocities though.
It says the 303/22 Sprinter with a max. charge of 31.5gn of AR2206 pushing a 45gn bullet should do 3450fps.
But it says a 34gn charge of AR2208 should obtain the same velocity!?
Suffice to say I'd imagine both need serious checking on a chrono.
The really interesting cartridges were the .22 Sprinter Rimless and the .25 Sprinter Rimless(303/25 rimless).
They have their rims turned out and automatic rimless bases installed, however that works I'm not sure.
They'd be excellent for Mauser actions.
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The secret of the Sprinter ,the wasp & the Imp were in the forming Dies & the magic word annealing !!!!!! Trust me many a budding young reloader was foung either slumped over their press sobbing Or hanging from the rafters of their reloading room ,with a note cursing every gunsmith who had thought of these wild cats !!!!! (My parents cut my down more than once) You have to try and invision necking a 303 back to 270-25-22 with a neck that was round about 25mm (1" ) long & then trim in the case of the Wasp (Aussie answer to the Hornet /218 Bee) The sprinter was a pussy cat by comparision!!!! Your right it was only a matter of moving the neck back by 1/4 of a inch ! This was done with much patiance ,annealing (standing naked covered with chicken feathers & Pig's blood on the Full moon always helped )

The prefered methord was to to buy unprimed brass from Super, Riverbrand ,ICI ,Tiapan !!! Of course these companies are long gone (mores the pity ) Yeah I know what you mean with the ADI manual .....They list the 25-303 as having higher verlosities than the Improved version ?????


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