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Old 09-27-2006, 02:14 AM
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Finally got through my 28 day wait for my 22 hornet license today, so i went in with the appropriate paperwork, permissions and references etc, did my safety test (100%). Handed in the statuatory declaration for storing the rifle in a cabinet that satisfies legal reuirements etc AND stated that the cabinet has already my fathers 22 magnum in it. To me there seemed no issues but was told that i couldnt obtain my new ruger today as they still wanted to check the safe. So my long weekend plans of breaking in the barrel and getting it sighted in sweet as, have totally gone out the window.

Its a weird spot to be in, you want to get the police to understand that the safe has already complied with the standards but you dont want to get over assertive about it. Going to call them tomorrow to see when its going to happen.

Getting a license application through has taken so much effort, i didnt believe it would be such an issue in a country town...

Heres hoping tomorrows phone call gets things moving again... again.

Anyone else had troubles getting permits in Aust?
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:53 AM
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Well you're further down the track than me mate - I wish I was where you are with all that hoop jumping nonsense. I'm just at the membership with the SSAA-NSW branch - about to send my payment through and I can definately sympathise with you. What was the safety course like, can you tell me anything about it?
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Old 09-27-2006, 04:07 AM
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Its all paperwork and really not much you can do, but play the game. If you get their backs up you will only get grief.
When I wnet recently to get my 223 added I was asked how long it was since I had, had my safe inspected. Stunned me. It had never been inspected as I told the constable. When I got my safe they took our word that we had one. He then told me it could take a couple of weeks to get it checked. I suggested that as they come out to patrol the highway in the evening. perhaps calling in to check the safe and a cuppa on a wet evening might be in order. Got done that evening. But I also have a pretty good relationship the local boys even though the station is 70km away. So perhaps you can make a suggestion as to how it can all work out for the best for all concerned. I definitely wouldn't start throwing my weight around. Tried that in my younger days and never got much of an advantage.
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Old 09-27-2006, 04:22 AM
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Cheers mate. A few guys that work for me are good mates with the local police as they play rugby together so i might see if someone can pop by. I definitely dont want to stir things up. Im pretty proud of my clean record and want to keep it that way.

Tiki, In WA at the moment you dont have to do a course. But in my experience you will only be able to get a low power license. For high power ie above 22 hornet, they require a geniune need test to be done which they check up on. It involves going onto a property and checking your prevalence of vermin and that they are actually doing damage. Most farmers can get one ok, but for people recreationally hunting its getting harder and harder. The safety test i did was a multi choice basic firearm safety quiz. Had to get three certain questions correct and achieve 85% overall. I do believe its in planning for recreational shooters to become members of a club/association. I do have one nearby so i might join up to improve my shooting and shoot when im unable to get out chasing critters.
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Old 09-27-2006, 09:09 AM
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My heart goes out to you Ozzies - makes me realize what a great system we have here for the shooting sports.

Hopefully, we'll never have to go down the same path.
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:08 AM
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Ken- you guys have it good for sure.

To make it better my application still hasnt been sent off. The inspection happens tomorrow then they will send it off. I guess its another week and a half or so....

Fully paid for ruger 77/22 hornet, harris bipod, nikko stirling 3-9x42 scope, case, full cleaning instruments and 100 rounds sitting in the shop and i cant take it home.

Trigger finger so itchy its not funny but what can you do....
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:45 AM
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I guess we all live in the world of the politically correct. We live under constant attack on our Right to bear arms, but so far we have fended them off. That's why the NRA won't give in on any front. Give them a foot and they take a mile. Holds very true for the anti-gun crowd. Big cities have the most voters, and they vote in ways that rarely benefits those who live outside the city. Best of luck with getting your permits. grayghost
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Old 09-28-2006, 03:28 PM
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Brad, not sure if this applies with getting your first licence but my understanding is that a hornet can be approved by the OIC of the station you are putting your application in at. Certainly that way for additions only high power that has to go to regional office for approval. May be more checks for initial licence, might be worth asking about.
Goodluck.
Oh and take your bank manager its over about a $150 for your licence.
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Old 09-28-2006, 07:08 PM
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WA part of australia?

hey gus,
im not quite sure i understand the way it is in WA. im a vic shooter and the licensing/registration system in WA all seems completely foreign and a complete joke.
is there a set way of doing things or is the complete licensing/registration structure at the mercy of the police? registry unit, with the police officers as field officers and enforcers?
what are the different reasons for acquiring a license available? ive got mine under hunting but will soon be joining a club and thinking of adding target shooting to the license too. all i had to do for my license was get a primary producer friend to write a letter of recommendation to say they would give me permission to hunt on their land. the actually check the land for vermin? any game animals to hunt? what is this safe inspection crap? it is law, since when do they have to come around before you can get a firearm to inspect? i have owned firearms for over 4 years here in victoria and never had a safe inspection. if i did i would comply, but if i didnt i would expect that my firearms would be removed from my possession till i could prove i had the encessary measures. ive heard of them being done but so sporadically its ridiculous. do the WA police take all this on their own bat? apart from a few minor (and ridiculous) laws i thought the firearm laws were the same nation wide. if this is so how can you own a 22 hornet which is in the same category in NSW and vic as a 223 or 375 H&H, e.g. a centrefire? what is your category system? e.g. cat A is rimfires and shotguns, cat B is centrefires and muzzle loaders, cat C semi's/pumps shotties and rimfires etc. i really cant comprehend the bureaucratic red tape over there it seems so completely foreign, demeaning, and prehistoric.
a bit of understanding as to how you guys have it over there would be really appreciated because to me it sounds like your really being given a working over both time and sanity wise but also financially.
hit me back, and blokes in any other states who are allowed to go hunting, to you i wish you happy hunting but to those in WA good luck with the paperwork!
lockie
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:51 AM
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Haha yeah its 160. Add on 1300 odd for the gun and gear.

Lockie

Mate our procedure for a low power rifle is apply, wait 28 days, go back and tell them you wish to proceed with the application. I had to get 2 property owners to write letters saying i was allowed to shoot on their properties as well as this i got 2 character references, and signed a statuatory declaration that i would store the gun and ammo separate in a locked steel safe that met WA law. Next they told me they wont be sending the application to perth until the safe is checked deemed worthy of holding firearms. I have no idea about how long it will take once the safe is approved until when i can get the gun. I will be looking into having the sargeant approve this so i can get the gun home. The safe inspection happens wednesday as its as soon as it can be done and i have a police friend doing it. 3 deaths in a country town in a week doesnt help that, and one was a shooting suicide...

My mate just got his license and he did the same but was allowed to get his gun before the safe was inspected. The police came out a week after as he lives on a farm out of town. He actually got his grandfathers 22lr plus an air rifle.

I might actually try the firearms branch of the WA police to query on if i can have the officer in charge approve the license. I see no reason why it wont be approved.

Im just looking forward to the long weekend and not letting it get to me.

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Old 09-30-2006, 06:45 AM
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Lockie,
The concept of national gun laws is just that because in each state the laws are administered by the state police with their own interpretation and modifications. As imposed by the police dept and state parliments.
The same thing is apparent in the vehicle licencing which we went through big changes over here a few yearsback supposedly to bring all states into line. But it hasn't quite eventuatated like that with motorcycles in some states rated by hp and in others by cubic capacity. This is why we can by a high performance 250cc bike here as a learner but not a lower performing larger capacity bike.
We also have a defacto drink driving limit of .05 however this is only an infringement and loss of licence doesn't occurr in WA until .08
As far as gun laws go we too have the A B C etc categories but then we still have our old system of what is determined high and low power in centrefire rifles. Low power can be added to a licence by the local station with a minimum of fuss depending on the OIC of the policestation. High power has to be a pproved by the local OIC then he sends the paperwork off the the regional office where itis basically rubber stamped. I think it may be just keep an eye on the system so that a local station can't be open to too much corruption.
Not really any game animals over here just vermin.

With the national gun laws or driving laws non of it will be truly national unless it is administered and controlled by the federal police. Which I'm not sure is a good idea and would open up a can of worms as far as enforcement goes
Nothing can be truly national unless you give all the power to Canberra. Do you really want that??????????
Cheers.
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:13 AM
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Diddo kdub and kudos to you Aussies keeping the chin up despite the hardships.
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Old 09-30-2006, 04:30 PM
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It seems we're going the way of the brits as far as guns go. It wont be long and only the aristocracy and the crims will have guns, and when the heathen hordes invade we can defend the front lines with broom sticks and pitch forks. Sorry wrong again, pitchforks would be deemed to be illigal if used as a defensive weapon

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Old 09-30-2006, 04:52 PM
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We still have healthy immigration quotas for all you downunders! (If you go to Mexico first, you can easily walk across the southern border and not have to worry about all the paperwork. You'll be nationalized with the rest of the border crossers in a short while if the dimmocrats have their way in Congress!)

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Old 09-30-2006, 09:18 PM
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We're not quite as bad off over here. I've made it my personal duty to extend my colection each time little jonny makes it harder or wants to take one off me. He only made me give him one so far and I replaced it with another 4 that year. I was depresed and neaded something to chear me up.
I just play by the rules. It takes time and costs a bit of money but you get there eventualy.
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:33 PM
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This is going to be my own modus op Aussiecollector ... I'm going through this slow process as we speak ... *yawn* - but SMLE's and Martinis here I come!
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:47 AM
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Yawn alright....

I had to spend the weekend fishing instead of shooting. How awful- two days solid fishing and one fish and terrible sunburn.

Can i use these facotr to lodge a complain with the PR section of the police?

Never mind all will be better as soon as i get the ruger in my hands.
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:55 AM
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Which Ruger mate ... ?
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tikirocker
Which Ruger mate ... ?
77/22 hornet. 3-9x42 nikko stirling scope and harris bipod.

The highest power that i can get on the "low power" license...

Cheers

Brad
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad Y
77/22 hornet. 3-9x42 nikko stirling scope and harris bipod.

The highest power that i can get on the "low power" license...

Cheers

Brad
Not sure if its the highest power. I have heard reports that 30/30 and 444 are now listed on low power. This is unconfirmed. But I may just be testing the 30/30 case soon.444 used to low power years ago but when a cop let the firearms branch know what he was getting the444 cranked up to it got lifted. I would like to see the current list of low and high power categories. It used to be very strange .22k hornet was low power .218 bee was high power go figure that. the same was with .38spec being low power and .357 being high power. Back when the first Rossi 1892 copies came in over here they were chambered .357mag but stamped .38spec it wasn't long before .357mag was dropped to low power as it became to hard to regulate.
It would be really nice if things just went on the category rating of A B C without our sub categories.
What is the case in the eastern states now as regards additional firearms. Do you have to apply and go through the works for eack addition like us where we licence each individual firearm or can you buy freely after getting a shooters licence still?
Cheers.
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