hello all,
i have a quick question.
are sabots legal in australia ?

here is a link explaining them and how they work. (mods please delete if i am not allowed to put links in forum.)

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March02.htm

thanks.

I would say yes,Have seen them forsale on Ebay australia.Have also seen them forsale in a shop before.But have heard they arent legal from one person.So i guess i cant help you buddy.I will try find out for you.Why do you ask?Personally i wouldnt bother with them myself.

The sabot ammo has not performed well in high velocity rifles here in the US. Most of it sold here is in the form of muzzle loader stuff at low velocities. Few folks on the forum have had good luck with it, but the majority found it fairly inaccurate.

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the reason i asked is because i have in a ballistic chart where they use sabot rounds in a 30.06 and it made 4000 fps (using a 55gr projectile) compared to the standard 3000 fps.
same thing with the 30.30 win, with the sabot round it made 3400 fps (using a 55gr projectile)compared to the standard 2500 fps.
and the accuracy is unreal.
if they work like they are supposed to you basically have 2 guns in one, one a 55 gr super accurate high velocity round and one standard 150gr heavy projectile round.
these sabot rounds im talking about here are made by remington and are called accellerator" so there is a factory making them.

Yes, Remington makes them, but as faucettb states - most folks find the accuracy isn't there. They usually group about Minute of Barn Door.

They are fast, but that's about it.

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Sounds like what you want is a 22/250 with 55gn pills doing 3600fps.I wouldnt bother going for a 55gn varmint round for the 243 or any other crap like it man.

Yep, they are legal here in Australia, have used em before and don't bother, yes they are quick, no they aint accurate. Used them in Rem ammo out of a 308 when they were available 10-15years ago. I would suspect that you would be hard pressed to find a supplier here in Australia as I havent heard or seen them since

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thanks for the replies folks, much appreciated.
ah well if you reckon they are inaccurate i wont try them.
its just in the balistics charts i have show them really accurate, 1.7 inches compared to the standard 3.5 inches.
i was gonna handload them using 308 cases and 55 grain 224 projectiles but if you guys reckon they suck i will give it a miss.
thanks again for all the help fellas.

I know this is an old thread, but thought Id add this bit but the inaccuracy of Sabot round are dictated by the depth of the rifling grooves as it was explained to me. the deeper the groove the more the plastic case expands hence making the round sloppier (for want of a better phrase) in the barrel.

I bought some sabots off Ebay for the 30.06 and reloaded them for an experiment, a waste of time.

I couldn't replicate the Remington loads.

Don't part with your money unless you can buy the original Remington accelerator loads off the shelf.

As per Wharf, buy a HV .22, 22.250 or 220 Swift.

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I suspect that the difficulty of "adding another rifle" due to our restrictive licensing system here in oz, is maybe the attraction to getting more broad use-age out of an already existing gun, by using sabots for example, most likely!

I've never used them myself.

I've only ever seen one used before and that was by a visiting American (Toby) who had a 12 G shotgun with an immensely long barrel (A goose gun apparently), and he used a sabot round in 12G shot shell, that had a solid brass type projectile with a plastic sabot.

He managed to shoot a big buck grey kangaroo, from fully 250 yards range, open sights, one shot kill! (I paced it out).

I was amazed!

Never seen that type of ammo in our gun shops to this day. Probably something he brought with him I am guessing - it was a good 30 years ago. Give the guy his due, he knew his business.

When he told my mate and I he was going to shoot this big buck (200lb+) Kangaroo from 250 yards with his open sighted goose scatter gun, we looked at each other, with that quizzical look of "OK which asylum did he just escape from" but a few seconds later, we were

Maybe there is a place for them...I'm guessing if they were any good long term, they would have caught on by now.

Cheers

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