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Old 11-05-2007, 08:03 PM
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:52 AM
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Welcome to the forum.

I'm sure some of our other Aussie members will have some good suggestions for you.

I'm thinking something pretty big, myself.....
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:53 AM
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Most people say a 375 H&H is a good start.

I've never hunted them but I hear they aren't as mean as a big Scrub bull. Still better to be over gunned than under gunned.

That said I'd say more Buffs have been taken with the trusty ol .303 British in a SMLE Number 1 MkIII than anything, mainly because post war they were cheap as chips.

I'd use mine on a Buff with Woodleigh projectiles. I really think proper shot placement and bullet construction ie: PENETRATION is the key.

Most guides would say the 375 H&H is Min caliber.

Best caliber if you ask me is the biggest you can comfortably shoot accurately if thats 308Win you'd want a good bullet and clean shot but I have heard of a guy dropping a buff with a .243WIN.

Other ones I'd take are 45-70, 405, 404, 416 and 450Nitro
(big heavy med velocity rounds loaded with Woodleigh projectiles)
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question Number one: what is a Scrub Bull? and what is the difference between it and a water Buffalo?

My suggestion would be to stay as far away from any bolt action or single shot you can.

Get a Marlin 1895 in 45-70, a Winchester 1886 in 50-110, a winchester 1895 in 405 Winchester or a Browning BAR in 338 win mag. Reason being, plenty accurate for your kind of hunting, hold Mucho plenty rounds, cycles heck of a lot faster than any old bolt gun, (ooh, that reminds me, The remington 750 auto loader in 35 Whelen is reeel good too) and just plain good looking. ( by the way, I'm a Yankee. so feel free to ask any questions you may have about my suggestions.)
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My suggestion would be to stay as far away from any bolt action or single shot you can.
Why not a bolt or single?
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the question is not why not so much... but why. a single shot.......well... is a single shot. you only get one chance at drilling this bovine....i don't like to take chances.

a bolt action in my mind is way too slow a repeater for DGH. maybe some of you can cycle them fast.... I can't. but i can cycle a Lever gun pretty dang fast.a heck of a lot faster than any person out there can undo one o'them thar "screw guns"....., In my mind... if I wanted to shoot a bolt gun, I would go hunting for an animal that won't try to hurt me if I miss.
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:38 AM
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375 h&h,338,7mm,basically it's a big cow,so anything that will penetrate the thick hide covered in mud!!
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A 9,3x62 Mauser would be a real good caliper choice for Buffs downunder!
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:29 PM
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I don't like to take chances. Minimum calibre would have to be .375 H&H. Sure you could take it with a .243, but see what happens if you dont make correct shot placement first time around. You can't always get a good shooting position either, so light calibres would lack penetration with is vital to bringing down these animals. Learn to shoot a .375, most can get accustomed to it. In the heat of the moment, the last thing you will be thinking about is a sore shoulder.
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:19 AM
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Scrub Bulls are BIG mean clean skin cattle born wild and weigh over a 1000kg. They will charge without warning or provacation. They usually have massively developed shoulders and are bred from the toughest meanest Bulls out there. Water Buff are said to be like shooting a cow in a paddock (field) compared to these suckers.

Again, shoot whatever your most comfortable with and usually you'll be fine. Overgun yourself (not the game) and you'll mess up the shot. As Red said 375H&H don't kick that hard and is a good min caliber.
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I would use a No.1 Mk.3, Enfield loaded with (5) 174 gr. Woodleighs followed by (5)215 gr. Woodleighs, but that's what I'm comfortable with. As far as a first timer rifle, a 416 weatherby mag or 404 Jeffrey (on a Remington 700 action if you have the choice) would be an even bet as far as performance, with a mount with see-thru rings. Set scope to mark impact for long range with a lighter penetrator bullet, then utilize open sights with a heaver close range round. Oh, and make sure your ammunition is available where you are going-don't guess on a untried load.

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Scrub Bulls are BIG mean clean skin cattle born wild and weigh over a 1000kg. They will charge without warning or provacation. They usually have massively developed shoulders and are bred from the toughest meanest Bulls out there. Water Buff are said to be like shooting a cow in a paddock (field) compared to these suckers..
Thanks for answerring my quesstion....So scrub bulls are just feral cattle basically?

here in Kansas, we have bison.... which are quite abit bigger than 1000kg, these guys run about 3000lbs..... a few years back about 50 of them escaped a farm and roamed the country side.... the farmer gave permission to all who saw the bison to shoot them and keep them.... this proved to be qite a bit of fun for those of us who have never hunted anything bigger than a deer.... a taste of DGH if you will....Most of our local boys however had deer rifles, nothin' bigger....(7mm mag, 30'06, 300mag, 270),.... these proved rather innefective against these large creatures and would become proved and charge the shooter if shot w/ these deer rifles.... A neighbor of mine had a 338 magnum elk gun.... He became in great need to dispatch these critters as he was the only one who could...After a few months, tehbison began roaming into the nearby cities, the police could not stop them with any firearm they had... So they contracted a local gun dealer who had several black powder long range "buffalo rifles" made in the 1800's to dispatch these critters..he got em' all...It was arather humourous incident......Bison are quite thick skinned and have very tightly curled thick hair which has almost teh same effect as Kevlar.... it is hard to kill a bison properly....I just figured that killing one bovine is similar to killing another.
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Ask MikeG about taking a full grown buffalo with a handgun using BTB cast lead bullets.
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here in Kansas, we have bison.... which are quite abit bigger than 1000kg, these guys run about 3000lbs..... a few years back about 50 of them escaped a farm and roamed the country side.... the farmer gave permission to all who saw the bison to shoot them and keep them.... this proved to be qite a bit of fun for those of us who have never hunted anything bigger than a deer.... a taste of DGH if you will....Most of our local boys however had deer rifles, nothin' bigger....(7mm mag, 30'06, 300mag, 270),.... these proved rather innefective against these large creatures and would become proved and charge the shooter if shot w/ these deer rifles.... A neighbor of mine had a 338 magnum elk gun.... He became in great need to dispatch these critters as he was the only one who could...After a few months, tehbison began roaming into the nearby cities, the police could not stop them with any firearm they had... So they contracted a local gun dealer who had several black powder long range "buffalo rifles" made in the 1800's to dispatch these critters..he got em' all...It was arather humourous incident......Bison are quite thick skinned and have very tightly curled thick hair which has almost teh same effect as Kevlar.... it is hard to kill a bison properly....I just figured that killing one bovine is similar to killing another.
Fun story to read Trey. Here's one from Iowa. I was listening to local law enforcement radio traffic several years ago when dispatch requested a deputy sheriff to respond to some escaped bison in back yards,corn fields,etc. I don't recall the number "on the loose", but it was small (say 6 or so). There was a very loooooooooong pause on the radio.
"What do you want me to do if I find them"? was what came back. The pause was much longer as a reply.

Ended up with every available volunteer in the area on the hunt. No shots fired, they rounded them up and corraled them. Big fun to listen to.

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Old 02-29-2008, 01:55 AM
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I'had huted water Buffalo and can said taht are tough animals , plenties of bad humor and can charge you without any reason( has happened to me)

I used a 375 H&H that is an excelente caliber . It stopped in a few meters.

I frined of mine had shot one with an 338 Win mag and that beast run at least 1 mile.with a shot in the shoulder Fortunatly away of us

So my recomendation is at least one caliber that stopped it in a limit condition.

Of course that if you shot one of this with a 243 or any caliber similar , that guy will die someday , but it your risk to use a limit caliber
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Ask MikeG about taking a full grown buffalo with a handgun using BTB cast lead bullets.
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These are water buffaloes at Brady Ranch, Florida. Frank Brady told me he has seen bulls soak up 5 or more well placed 30-06 bullets before toppling. He recommends a bigger caliber for these very large animals. When asked, he suggested 35 Whelen with Premium bullets or 375 H & H MAG.

At the time, I was at Brady Ranch for one day photo safari. The axis deer are impressive and abundant.

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I read a magazine article a few years back about the author using a 4-bore rifle with explosive blackpowder shells on Australian water buffalo. ...I suppose that would do the job.
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Its a bit late but those look like cape buffalo not water buffalo to me Different kettle of fish entirerly Regards Tom
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You hear of quite a few blokes using .338's on buffs, but projectile choice would be critical. Even more so for the various .30 magnums, which would definitely handle the big bovines but don't give you the same margin for error as a bigger cal. I've never hunted buffs but have probably shot close to 30 scrub bulls personally, using calibres ranging from the .30/30 Win (culling from a motorbike) to the venerable .45/70 Gov't and .375H&H.
The .45/70 is a fine cartridge but it's limited (out here) by the range of stoutly constructed hunting projectiles that will feed in a Marlin levergun. In a Ruger No 1 you can load any of the 500gn .458 magnum projectiles, which are designed to offer the kind of penetration needed on big game. These generally won't feed through the Marlin's. With 400gr jacketed soft points, I found it quite effective on calm bulls standing broadside on, and with good bullet placement. In the field it's unlikely that the game will always give you this kind of shot, and my guess is if you're paying for a hunt you don't want to blow the animal by wounding it and losing it in the scrub.
The .375 H&H is a great big game cartridge. It shoots quite flat and while it's a good idea to always get to within at least 150yds of big game, the .375 is capable of long shots out to around 300. The .45/70's tyrajectory just isn't that workable. Any of the .416 calibres or the .458 win mag are also good big game cartridges, but they have a fair bit more boot than the .375. Most hunters shoot a lot better with a lighter recoiling gun, and there is no calibre powerful enough to substitute good bullet placement.
I have a CZ 550 in .375 H&H. It's a 'proper' magnum Mauser action, with CRF. Using 300gn solids in combination with 300gn Woodleigh PP's there isn't anything I would hesitate to hunt with this rig. It's an $1500AU rifle new. Weight is around 9lbs and it has a pachmayr decelerator pad fitted as standard, which tames the recoil quite well. Ruger make their new 77 Hawkeye African in their proprietry 375 Ruger cartridge, which is basically a balistic twin to the Holland and Holland and should work the same. It's a standard length action, also a 'proper' big game rifle with CRF. Factory ammo is ridiculously priced for the .375 ruger, but it's also a $1500 dollar rifle, quite reasonable. One thing, they reckon it kicks a fair bit, being a much lighter gun than the CZ.
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