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Old 09-08-2005, 03:56 PM
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1895 vs. 1895 Cowboy


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Assuming the same ammunition fired from the same shooting position, I was wondering if there's a difference in felt recoil between the 1895 and 1895 Cowboy. Clements says he prefers to use the 1895 with its pistol grip stock to build big bore rifles... that it handles recoil much better than the straight stock; however, he does not elaborate on "handles".

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:25 PM
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Can't be much difference, as either can be converted to be straight or pistol. Never seen a cowboy with ports and the straight stock from marlin.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:50 PM
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The 1895 is not ported.

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Old 09-09-2005, 02:35 AM
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I have the following lever actions:

Marlin 1895G .45/70 (straight grip)
Marlin 1895CB .45/70 (straight grip)
Winchester 1886 .45/70 (pistol grip)
Winchester 1892 .45 Colt (straight grip)
Winchester '94 Legacy .44 Mag (pistol grip)
Winchester 1895 .405 Win (straight grip)

From shooting these lever actions, I'd say the pistol grip might be a little more comfortable to hold, but the grip angle or shape doesn't make any difference in felt recoil to me. I just like the looks of the straight grip a little more, and that's probably from growing up watching Westerns on TV in the 1950's & 1960's.

Of the lever actions I have, the Marlin 1895G is the only one that has a soft rubber butt pad. The butt pad will make a much bigger difference in your ability to tolerate a really hard kicking big bore than the grip angle. If I was going to have a custom big bore hunting rifle built, the grip wouldn't make much difference, but I would go with a soft rubber butt pad. IMHO
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Old 09-09-2005, 05:11 AM
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1895s or1895CB

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I have the following lever actions:

Marlin 1895G .45/70 (straight grip)
Marlin 1895CB .45/70 (straight grip)
Winchester 1886 .45/70 (pistol grip)
Winchester 1892 .45 Colt (straight grip)
Winchester '94 Legacy .44 Mag (pistol grip)
Winchester 1895 .405 Win (straight grip)

From shooting these lever actions, I'd say the pistol grip might be a little more comfortable to hold, but the grip angle or shape doesn't make any difference in felt recoil to me. I just like the looks of the straight grip a little more, and that's probably from growing up watching Westerns on TV in the 1950's & 1960's.

Of the lever actions I have, the Marlin 1895G is the only one that has a soft rubber butt pad. The butt pad will make a much bigger difference in your ability to tolerate a really hard kicking big bore than the grip angle. If I was going to have a custom big bore hunting rifle built, the grip wouldn't make much difference, but I would go with a soft rubber butt pad. IMHO
I Like the CB better, yes the barrel is abit long but it shoots great.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:49 AM
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The 1895 has a recoil pad and the Cowboy does not. That will make a difference.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:52 AM
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I have three Marlin 45-70s:

1895G, 18.5" bbl, straight grip, stock recoil pad
1895SS, 22" bbl, pistol grip, decelerator pad
LTD-V, 24" bbl, pistol grip, stock hard plastic pad

The pistol grip models are more comfortable for me, especially offhand. The grip angle just feels better as it doesn't torque my wrist as the straight models do. Some I've talked to prefer that wrist pressure and claim it helps them hold the rifle steadier. I think a bigger difference is the barrel length when it comes to handling recoil. I find much less muzzle jump with the longer barrels which translates into a more comfortable shot. I know the actual difference in recoil probably isn't significant (there are minor weight distribution differences), but it doesn't bother me as much with the longer barrels. Using the same load in all three, the LTD with it's hard plastic butt plate is the most comfortable for an extended range visit.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:25 AM
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I use the Remington 405g jacket bullets at about 1300 fps as my standard load. I can manage 14 or so rounds and then I have to go to a smaller gun. No kidding. When I get home I always have some bruised spots on my shoulder - this is even with a recoil pad.
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Old 09-10-2005, 06:25 AM
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I have the Marlin 45-70 in both CB(26 inch barrel) and GS(18.5 inch barrel)...both have pachmyer gel cel recoil pads. I can shoot 50 or more rounds of the Remington 405s or 20 of the Big Bore(430gr) or Garretts (what really hurts for either is the cost more than the recoil!) I am on Plavix blood thinner meds. There is rarely any bruising of the shoulder for me, unless I hold the gun incorrectly. Recoil tolerance and results will vary from individual to individual. You just have to find your own tolerance and comfort levels. My Winchester 94AE in .45LC kicks more than the 45-70, especially when loaded with PMC 325grs...the Cowboy loads of 200 0r 250 grs. are "pussycats." (for me at 68 yrs.)
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Old 09-10-2005, 10:46 AM
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What MV are you shooting with those 405's?
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My experiance is that the guide shoots clusters while the 22 " , the LTD-v, and the CB's will print clover leafs.
The more the gun weighs the less reciol. The longer the sight radius the beter.

The last 45/70 I shot was a 12 LB +or - single shot.
Felt no recoil and the gun sure would put the shots in.

Should I ever buy anothe BIG Bore Marlin I think I would like a LTD-5.
Just a penny thought.
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Old 09-15-2005, 05:00 PM
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For me, the 336A with a thinned down forend and 22" bbl is just about the perfect shootin' iron. I guess the current 1895 is as close to that as possible in a factory 45-70. When needed, I usually wear a PAST recoil pad and prefer the butt stocks of my lever guns resemble those from the 19th century.

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Old 09-17-2005, 04:23 PM
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I've shot both my 1895 Guide Gun and the Cowboy model using the same handloads. There is a significant difference in felt recoil. The Guide Gun kicks considerably harder because it is a lighter weight gun. The Cowboy model is a great gun for the caliber if you like the long barrel.

I plan to add another 45-70 to the gun rack but it will be a single shot.
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