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Old 12-26-2006, 01:51 PM
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Does anybody have any experence with this company? I am intrested in some of there products and services. Also that lever gun they make in 500 S&W looks real intresting. Any idea what kind of preformance the 500 makes with a 16.5 or 18.5 inch barrel? Also i was wandering about there propriatery 457 WWG mag. I spoke with a rep on the phone today and I was told that you can shoot .45-70 in the 457WWG mag. He also said that there is no ill effect on accuracy when shooting .45-70 out of it. Would the 500S&W have any advantage over a .45-70 if it had a longer barrel? Would having my 1895G modified to be able to shoot the longer 457WWG mag be of any advantage or bennifit. I was thinking It would allow me to shoot heaver rounds with the increase in chamber length. Anyway what do you guys think?
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Old 12-26-2006, 06:42 PM
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If you buy a gun that they currently make (mostly levers), they do good work. I wouldn't bring any of my guns there for smithing (I went there once, I don't feel like describing the experience). The customer service is subpar, and the prices vs. the quality of work (not counting the lever guns) is not what I'd call level.

I have come to the point I will not go there anymore. I'm not the only one with this view. There are also those out there that think nothing bad about them, so maybe me and a few of my buddies all got unlucky...

As for the ammo, I don't know anything about those rounds (nothing more than you anyways).
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Old 12-26-2006, 08:34 PM
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I'm contemplating their trigger and ejector, anyone have thoughts on the quality of these parts?
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Old 12-27-2006, 06:53 AM
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I've never dealt with them but one of their employees was actively posting on a forum. Seemed to have a real bad attitude towards the customers--turned me off.

When I was in Anchorage I stopped by but they were closed.

Again, no personal experience except what I read.
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Old 12-27-2006, 02:25 PM
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I have the Wild West Happy Triggers in both my 1895G and 1895CB. They're as light and crisp as a really good bolt action rifle's trigger. I would highly recommend them.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:03 PM
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I have the Wild West Happy Triggers in both my 1895G and 1895CB. They're as light and crisp as a really good bolt action rifle's trigger. I would highly recommend them.
Wild West Guns may not be everybodys best buddy, and they are sometimes arrogant, but his work is known around the world and what I have seen is first class. He designed and built the "Co-Pilot", which was a takedown 1895 Marlin in several caliber options. He is also builder of very competitive "race guns" on the government platform for serious shooters.

I don,t work for or have any interest in his business, and like many professional smiths, sometimes you get attitude at no extra charge. I do not have any first hand experience with his "customer service", but if you communicate with Jim West, I would hope he could resolve any problems.

I would not hesitate to use his services if I had the money. Good work is not cheap! Good Luck!
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Old 12-27-2006, 08:51 PM
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They sell an awsome replacement trigger for the Marlin, I love mine!
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Old 12-27-2006, 10:11 PM
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Jim West has a restraining order against him from Wild West Guns if I recall correctly..... (go figure, he owns the joint)
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Old 12-31-2006, 07:03 PM
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The Happy Trigger and Ejector are at home in my 1895. They work great. But I have heard too much negative talk about their service to go there for anything at any time. Maybe things will change there. I hope so. I may want to buy some more happy trigger kits later. Looking at a 35 Remington 336 right now. Bandito
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How could he have a restraining order against him from wild west guns?
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There is no restraining order against JW. If there was, I wouldn't have seen hi in there just last Saturday morning. several of you are correct though the service and general attitude in there is a bit odd. They seem to treat me and a buddy that go in there some with something like disdain. I am not sure why, maybe they don't like GI's coming in there and fondling all the leverguns! Either way, they do real good work, whether it's lever actions, or sixguns, or 1911's. I have had some work done by them on a Ruger 45 Colt Bisley. Specifically, they cut the grip frame down some into a more pleasing contour. great job, and they did it fairly quickly. No complaints there. They just seem to ignore folks standing in there itching to look at guns. I don't much like that, but maybe I am a jackass, who knows. this is my first post, although I have looked at the site for a long time.
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. . . this is my first post, although I have looked at the site for a long time.
Welcome to the site. If you've been lurking for awhile, you likely know the rules. If you post more often, there's no prize, but then you aren't taxed for lurking either.

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Welcome to the site. I you've been lurking for awhile, you likely know the rules. If you post more often, there's no prize, but then you aren't taxed for lurking either.

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Unclenick, that's a cool post
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well to add to the grim reminders of WWG all I can say is the smith does mighty fine work! Don't hold anything against him. Now the fella they have who is at the counter has not been to this day that I know of is not fired or been replaced--should be.

Yrs. back I dealt with that fella and a bit arrogant and impatient. Eventually had my 1895 built with there stock,lever,extractor,trigger kit, sights, electroless nickel and rechambering to the .457

Just sold the darn thing-finally! Don't get me wrong it is a shooter after I have lapped the bore out after they did the work. Shoots bears and moose just fine but that darn blasted porting has about blown out my drums.

Would I have them work another rifle? Prolly. But there is others that I now have met stateside that will work my rifles over without arrogance. just my .02
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Old 01-12-2007, 05:49 PM
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My experience with Wild West Guns sounds similar to the rest. They do nice work and have a lot of innovative products, but are very slow and are generally unpleasant to deal with along the way. I have their triggers in all of my Marlin leverguns (great improvement over the OEMs) and had some machining done there that was well done but took nearly a year to complete.

I'll probably never buy one of their guns.

Here's why. The first and probably last time I was in the store I went to ask a few questions about a custom gun that WWG had proposed building. After making several attempts to get the questions answered by email, I happened to be in the area and decided to vist the store. My wife and I were the only customers in the store and a young lady was behind the counter being quite helpful until a gent emerged from the back and sent her back to a desk. I had asked to see one of the rifles (a "co-pilot") they had among several others in an open display rack. The lady had handed it to me and begun to explain it's features and how the takedown mechanism worked. When the gent took over he immediately took a defensive posture and saying nothing reached for the gun, which was in two pieces. He was obviously annoyed that I took the time to put the gun back together and open the action before I handed it back. He returned the gun to the rack, turned his back and walked away. Quite a salesman.

I was as baffled by what had happened as my wife. After a few seconds I said to her "I guess they don't want our business" and we left. Had I violated some unwritten policy about handling their precious products? Had I interrupted his nap? No way to know, but if they don't want customers bothering them why have a store with a 20 ft. sign outside? That sales pitch pretty well convinced me not to spend any more of my cash for what they are selling.

Hope you have better luck.

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Old 01-14-2007, 06:37 AM
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Does anybody have any experence with this company? I am intrested in some of there products and services. Also that lever gun they make in 500 S&W looks real intresting. Any idea what kind of preformance the 500 makes with a 16.5 or 18.5 inch barrel? Also i was wandering about there propriatery 457 WWG mag. I spoke with a rep on the phone today and I was told that you can shoot .45-70 in the 457WWG mag. He also said that there is no ill effect on accuracy when shooting .45-70 out of it. Would the 500S&W have any advantage over a .45-70 if it had a longer barrel? Would having my 1895G modified to be able to shoot the longer 457WWG mag be of any advantage or bennifit. I was thinking It would allow me to shoot heaver rounds with the increase in chamber length. Anyway what do you guys think?
The WWG 457 Magnum is a superfluous cartridge. One can get the same performance by altering a regular Marlin 1895 45-70 to cycle up to 2.67" rounds and load the 45-70 to a 2.67" COL.
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Hi Jack, Remember that guy with the bricks? Do you suppose he's lurking out there somewhere?

Zapzoo: I'm very satisfied with the W.W. Happy Trigger, an excellent product.
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Ratltrap, wow! I am amazed at how rude that was.
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Ratltrap, wow! I am amazed at how rude that was.
Sounds like they are operating a chapter of Jerks-R-Us.

I've run into both very generous and very prickly personalities in gunsmithing. It's almost as if those extremes are attracted to the trade. I was examining a 1911 on a smith's table at a gun show one time, when the smith abruptly got a scowl on his face and pronounced, "you don't know what you're looking at", snatched the gun from my hand and went into a rant about how close the tolerance of the rear sight overhang fit to the slide was. Hmmm. I have no clue what set him off, unless it was simply that I failed to compliment him on that fit spontaneously within some arbitrary time limit? I can think of two major match rifle smiths who speak exclusively in terse sentences and seem to be angry about or at least annoyed by being asked questions of any kind.

Who knows what draws that sort of personality to the trade? People skills are not a required part of the training, but some of this borders on a personality disorder. I can see why people who like to work alone would take gunsmithing up. Maybe some are people who can't work with others. If they don't like people, they need a counter person to interface with the customers and to let that person do their job.
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They did have one guy working in there that was a real piece of work. I mean he was something else. Rudest person I've ever met. He was the counter/floor sales/customer service person. I visited 3 different times, once to buy something from them and twice for some work to be done, all three times I left without leaving any money with them. I tried, as many others did, to talk to the gunsmiths and Jim West to let them know the guy was bad news, but it fell on deaf ears.

I haven't been back since, that must have been about 8 or 9 years ago. I don't know if the guy still works there and honestly don't care. WWG doesn't have the market cornered on gunsmithing services, though it would be convenient for me. But I won't put up with that. I gave them the chance to correct it, but they chose not too, so I'll never go back.

I suspect most of their business comes from internet orders or from the lower 48. I know if they still have that guy working the counter, they don't get much business from walk-in Alaskan customers.

The last time I saw the fella, he was working the Rabbit Creek rifle range on the weekends but was asked to leave because of foul language and bad attitude. There were several father and sons shooting that day, but he didn't seem to care and "F" bombs were the order of the day as loud as he yell above the gunfire. He's a real piece of work.
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