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Old 07-30-2009, 10:05 AM
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Are these as good as the grind-to-fit? They are quite a bit cheaper at Cabela's right now, just wondering if they were up to the 1895GS recoil reduction standard. If there is a big quality difference, then I will get the Sims or Kick-eez grind-to-fit...

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Old 07-30-2009, 05:40 PM
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On my 1895, I used a Decelerator brand screw on pad that was so close to a perfect fit that I never did bother trimming it at all. You can only tell it's not a perfect fit by feeling it with your fingers.

I do have a Pachmayr leather slip on pad with the velcro closure that I use for additional length on some of my shotguns and it is very handy for that. I also like that it can be swapped so quickly. I tried it just now on my Marlin and it was a little bit big which is to be expected with a shotgun pad on a rifle. I did notice that it just clears the rear sling swivel stud. If you don't already have a pad installed, the slip on like mine would have to be cut back by the swivel stud. Not sure if that would interfere with the velcro closure or not.

One last thing, the first one of these I bought at Cabellas was the Kick Killer brand and I liked it so much that I later decided I wanted another one. I went back and bought one but it wasn't the same. The quality of the leather was much poorer/rougher. Not until today when I looked at them for this post did I realize that the first one was a Kick Killer brand and the second one was Pachmayr. The Pachmayer is not poorly made per se. It's virtually identical to the Kick Killer. The difference is the leather itself. The Pachmayr one is kinda rough like the pores stand out. The Kick Killer feels like it's Cordovan leather. It's so smooth and slick it almost doesn't feel like leather but it is. (trust me, I know leather a bit) Both have what appears to be pig or goatskin on the butt portion that is lighter than the nut brown of the other leather and gives a nice contrast.

Of the two, the Kick Killer has one other feature I like. The actual recoil pad inside is a soft gel and is removable. The Pachmayr is firmer rubber and glued in place. If you want to, you can use the Kick Killer with the gel pad in or out to adjust stock length. You can also put shims in the bottom to adjust stock length that way. This is more an issue on fast handling guns like shotguns but the use of a compact lever gun kinda falls in the same category just by design.

Here is a link to a page with the Kick Killer pad. And no, I don't have anything to do with them or sell them or anything. I just really like them!

http://www.chuckhawks.com/kick_killer_recoil_pad.htm

I guess I didn't answer you question about how well they work though did I? Honestly, I'm not very recoil sensitive. I can tell you that the decelerator pad I put on my 45-70 Marlin was put on more for added stock length than recoil but it works real well for recoil too. My Daughter started using my 45-70 when she was 12 years old and had no problems with the recoil even off the bench until she'd shot about 6 or so shots. And she was a little twig of a gal then. I do know that the Kick Killers work great on my 12 and 16 gauge doubles. Again, the nod goes to the Kick Killer for actual recoil dampening due I guess to the soft gel pad. It really dissapates the recoil.

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Old 08-01-2009, 03:16 PM
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I understand that the decelerators work, but with the price difference(36.99 vs 19.99), I was wondering if anyone has any comments on the slip ons specifically... i.e., is this an "intro price" or a "get what you paid for" price, or are they just for shotguns, etc.?
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Old 08-01-2009, 04:18 PM
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Well, I think I did more or less say that the slip ons work well but I have not tried one gun with a slip on beside one with a decelerator to compare the difference. Personally, while I like the leather slip on ones, I wouldn't waste money on one of the all rubber ones. Not sure which one you are looking at.... They probably work just as good but I think they're ugly.

I also said I wasn't recoil sensitive so you probably figure that I couldn't tell the difference with my slip on being used or not. Not what I meant to imply. While recoil doesn't scare me, make me flinch or want to stop shooting, I am fully aware of it and I can honestly say that the pachmayr and kick killer slip ons both work well to reduce felt recoil. I also think the kick killer works a tad better but I'm talking about on shotguns not Marlins. Though a light weight 12 or 16 double can rap you pretty hard and a good pad certainly makes a difference.

Maybe someone else here has actually used one of these on Marlin and can comment on that specifically. Honestly though, I think I've shot enough to say that almost any of the modern production pads will work to varying degrees from about "well" to "excellent". I'm not aware of any name brand pads that actually fall into the "Piece of junk" category. You asked about Pachmayr and they are a respected company that's been in the game for a lot of years. Since it's a slip on, I'd suggest you go ahead and buy one (or the Kick Killer, your choice) and give it a try. You don't have to alter it in any way. Be careful not to destroy the packaging and if you are not satisfied, simply pull it of the gun, put it back in the package and take it back to the store.

The slip on / slip off feature is the primary selling point of these type pads. Not shooting gun "X" today? Pull the pad off and put in on gun "Y". Providing the butt's are about the same size of course....

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Old 08-09-2009, 03:07 PM
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I'd been thinking of getting one of these slip-ons for some time now, and just bought mine today. It should be getting here in a few days. I got the Pachmayr 5" X 1/2" X 3/4, as someone on Midway said it fit the 1894 perfectly, and the guide gun pretty much has the same stock. If you'd like a report on how it functions, I'll let you know in a few days.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:00 AM
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Much thanks. Am leaning toward a shoulder pad, though, after more research.
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:19 PM
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I use several of the different slip on pads and really like them at the range when sighting in etc. A lot of my guns aren't really too bad to shoot offhand or in the field but sit at the bench and shoot awhile and it's not fun! Often I find the gun fits fine with hunting clothes on and If I really don't need the recoil pad when hunting I hate to cut off the stock to install a pad for bench shooting. The .444 has a permanately installed limbsaver!
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:19 AM
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remember that one difference is the slip on will add length and the mounted pad, would replace the existing pad and may be fitted to the shooter by shortening the stock if necessary....or leaving it as is. My slip on fits my 1985 very well (comes in several different sizes, so make sure you cose the one made for your rifle) and $20 is a pretty cheap experiment for trying one out.

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Old 08-13-2009, 08:11 AM
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Ugly is as ugly does!!

I have 2 of the rubber slip on Decelarator pads that I slip on from one rifle to the other. There's no two ways about it these things work. Period end of story.

And about them being ugly??

Well that's the beauty of them as they slip right off.


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Old 08-22-2009, 05:28 AM
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I have a small size decelerator slip-on originally bought for a .58 Zouave muzzleloader where it was of great benefit. When I acquired a Browning A-bolt in .358 Winchester with no pad I found the slip-on fit perfectly and again was of great benefit. But it did make the stock too long so I replaced it with a permanent Pachmayr Old English pad which was not the Decelerator type and recoil was very noticeably less comfortable than it had been with the Decelerator. So YES, I do believe they are worth the price.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:40 AM
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I got one and used on my 1895 helped tone it down thinking of putting one on my 300WSM
since its a black syn stock it wouldnt be too ugly.
Being ugly has its function too...
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:16 PM
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"Ugly is as ugly does!!"

"And about them being ugly?? Well that's the beauty of them as they slip right off."

"Being ugly has its function too..."

Okay, okay..... Sorry I said they were ugly Maybe that's not the right word.

But, I STILL think the leather ones are really PURTY. Plus the leather ones come in velcro or lace up versions that both give a unique look to certain styles of guns.

I'z just a bit old fashioned. I'll take blued steel over stainless, walnut over plastic, classic over latest modern etc. Give me a choice between a brand new Kimber with some high tech synthetic stock and say a nicely sporterized Mauser with a purty stick of wood and I'd choose the Mauser even if it was worth half the price. Well, maybe I'd take the Kimber, sell it and buy two guns with nice wood. Or one good one and a scope. Give me a good looking stock, a nicely worn in simple leather sling on a proven gun chambered in one of the old standby calibers and I'm tickled pink.

Bottom line, slip on pads, whether they are leather or rubber, are pretty darned versatile and they work too!

Oh, and I'm not knocking Kimber.... I'd love to have one but it'll be wearing walnut if I ever do.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:30 PM
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"Give me a good looking stock, a nicely worn in simple leather sling on a proven gun chambered in one of the old standby calibers and I'm tickled pink."

Thats why Im gonna use the ol' 35 this year.
Nicked stock, Tasco scope, no crossbolt and its 3rd generation. It was my grandad's and down the line
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:17 PM
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Well, I got my Velcro leather decelerator pad, and it fits well. The leather matches a sling I have, and I actually think it looks kind of nice on my 1895G. It comes right up to the swivel stud, but doesn't interfere with the sling. It may get rubbed a bit there with time, but I don't mind - nothing a little leather treatment couldn't cure. Anyway, my main reason for getting it was to tame the recoil at the bench, as I've never really noticed the recoil when hunting. Being able to take it off is a benefit.
It does extend the length of pull, but that is almost a non-issue, as the 1895g has a short length of pull in my opinion...I can barely tell the difference as to length of pull.

When I'm not too busy, I may post a picture for anyone interested in purchasing a pad. It cost about $12 more than a rubber pad, but for the ease of taking it off, an the feeling I have that it'll treat the wood better, I think it's worth it. If someone were too worried about the proximity of the pad to the swivel stud, they could always cut the leather back a bit with an exacto knife...with care, that could be done in an attractive way.
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