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Old 05-12-2011, 05:48 PM
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Went to the store to see my GBL as returned from Marlin " Remington". I was hopelessly dissapointed. Remington did abolutely nothing but claimed to have fixed all the problems. All they did was slap on some lubricant and try to slick it all up.

Same sloppy fit, same old chewed up crappy parts. Rounds do not extract from the magazine, do not feed properly, bolt jamms when opened and so on and on.

After 3 month, needlessle to say I am bitterly dissapointed and will never buy or reccomendthe current crop of Marlin or Remington products to anyone. It is my opinion there are some serious QC problems with Marlin/Remington and attempting to con the consumer will not help their situation.

I continue to enjoy my 336 made years ago and my relationship will end there.

I am happy to move on.
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:17 PM
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Went to the store to see my GBL as returned from Marlin " Remington". I was hopelessly dissapointed. Remington did abolutely nothing but claimed to have fixed all the problems. All they did was slap on some lubricant and try to slick it all up.

Same sloppy fit, same old chewed up crappy parts. Rounds do not extract from the magazine, do not feed properly, bolt jamms when opened and so on and on.

After 3 month, needlessle to say I am bitterly dissapointed and will never buy or reccomendthe current crop of Marlin or Remington products to anyone. It is my opinion there are some serious QC problems with Marlin/Remington and attempting to con the consumer will not help their situation.

I continue to enjoy my 336 made years ago and my relationship will end there.

I am happy to move on.
That really is a sad situation. You put faith in a product, you pay your money and you get screwed. So there's no way you can get a refund on your purchase? What about your state department of consumer protection? Can't they give you some advise as to what your legal rights are?
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I am unable to get a refund. I have two options : send it back to Marlin or get store credit for most of the purchase price.

I am not sending it back to Marlin since they have no credibility and their current products and support arent worth a penny. I cannot afford to add $$ to purchase a better 45-70 at this time, so my only option is to spend the $$ at the store. I am pretty bumbed about it but it's not worth an additional fight. SO I am gong to make the best of the situation and try to "swap" it for something else .....

I will save up for a Winchester or Chiappa and revisit the caliber when I have enought saved up.
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Old 05-15-2011, 11:24 PM
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I am a big Marlin fan. I haven't had any trouble with any of my Marlins. I hope you get it back and in proper working order. Good luck.
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I've been a Marlin fan since I was a kid 40 years ago. But the Marlin of old died when Remington took over. The move to Ilion was just the final nail in the coffin.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:14 PM
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I've been a Marlin fan since I was a kid 40 years ago. But the Marlin of old died when Remington took over. The move to Ilion was just the final nail in the coffin.
So sad, but, oh so true!

I shall elaborate just a tad......

It could be the end of an era. It could mean disaster for those who really love & enjoy nice traditional lever rifles. I've reaquainted myself these last few years with lever guns and purchased new or used lever rifles in .308ME, .375Win, 45-70, .444, .450 and .325WSM. Over the years, I've killed game with levers in 7mm08, .308Win, .356Win, .358Win, .375Win, .44mag & .450 Marlin. You guessed it, I'm a big lever rifle fan!

I am becoming increasingly disturbed, however, from what I am reading on the Marlin Owners Forum site (not officially affiliated with Marlin) as well as some other sites (including this one). Seems the QC of new Marlin rifles has perhaps gone down the tubes. Horror stories of misaligned barrels/receivers, guns that will NOT reliably feed rounds, rough cycling of the action, misaligned stocks, misaligned sights and much more have been very prevelant of late. Marlin (Remington) actually began shipping mount shims with many rifles because new owners could not get scopes level enough to site in at all! I have heard (read) many a complaint that barrels and receivers were so misaligned that iron sights could not be sighted in either.

The Marlin Owners site actually had to add another forum topic (Marlin Rant Forum) to prevent many other topics from becoming overrun with bad comments, complaints and stories bad enough to make one want to cry. WHY?? Well, it seems to have all stemmed from when Remington was involved with the purchase and take-over of Marlin production, when Marlin "sold out".

The sale was a few years ago and things went as they always had.... for a while. But, Remington then decided to close down the Connecticut Marlin plant and move operations to Ilion, N.Y. That's when all h*ll broke loose it seems. Seasoned Marlin owners, along with shooters enamored with Marlin rifles for practically their entire lives will not even think of buying the newest production guns now coming from Remington's Marlin N.Y. plant, at least not without a thorough examination of know problem areas.

Many Marlin afficianados will only purchase older guns now and also ensure the production years by serial numbers (new numbers are now changed so no one can tell the exact age). I did recently purchase & still, now await arrival of a new 1895M. But I only did so after checking it's serial number and ensuring it's build date was at least as old as 2008.

(The serial numbers actually are set up in an odd fashion and for a time the numbers went down as production became later.)

In closing, I own new Marlins made in 2007 (two) and they were fine. I am hoping my 2008 that's inbound as we speak is as well. I've known others who have '07 & '08 guns that were fine but a couple friends bought newer ones that needed work to simply function at all, never mind smoothly & properly. I ain't here to slam Remlin. I love my real Marlins, made in Ct. I'm simply hoping to caution anyone thinking about purchasing a new Marlin to be sure and look it over VERY well before taking possession. Turn-around times for repairs are not short, on the order of 3 months and longer at Marlin (Remington) for typical repairs. And the number of guns needing them is staggeringly high.

I truly love my Marlins and do hope that all this cr*p can finally get ironed out soon and fine, smooth operating, quality rifles again start being sold under the Marlin Moniker!!

That's all I've got to say about that.......
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Old 05-19-2011, 06:15 AM
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It was a sad yet relieving day for me.....

I returned my Marlin 1895 GBL to the store, which they "happily" received. I really do believe that Remington will fix their manufacturing, QC and support problems sooner than later, since they must know it is in their best interests to do so. The market is not very forgiving and competition usually assures that (relative) standards are met ... or you perish. That being said, there are not a lot of manufacturers these days that produce non-custom COTS products that have the quality of yesteryear. With high manufacturing costs and so many financial incentives to "cut corners", the quality of a lot of today's consumer guns is not up to standards of the past.

Hopefully, at such time that Remington has their act in order, I may or may not revisit their 45-70s, if I do not already have an alternative.

So to all those considering buying a Marlin, Remington or anything else for that matter, scrutinize the actual model in your hands prior to laying down cash and committing to the purchase.

Thanks to all on this forum for support and advice and i wish you all good luck with your new purchases.

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Marlin was bought out in 2007 and brought under Remington control by Freedom Group. In discussions with former Marlin employees, apparently around 2008, Remington was trying to speed up production by cutting corners. I was told that Remington's goal was to produce a Marlin a minute. This became apparent around 2009 with the problems really starting to crop up then. The problems continued (and getting worse all the time) throughout 2009 and 2010 until Remington moved Marlin production to their facility in Ilion NY. I was told the only old Marlin employee to make the move to NY was a HR guy. So the wealth of knowledge on how to build Marlins was lost.

I'd view any Marlin made with a 91xxxxxx serial number with suspicion as that series was used for 2009 and 2010 production until the North Haven built receivers were used up and Remington start using the MRxxxxxx numbers on their NY production receivers. Also I'd look very close at any MRxxxxxxx guns.
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Old 05-20-2011, 06:44 AM
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Well, it didn't work out. My rifle was delivered yesterday and I went to the shop yesterday afternoon to do the paperwork and bring it home. The rifle's serial number denotes a 2008 build time. It only took me about 1 min to be disappointed. Now, just to preface this, I also own two marlins, a .308MX and 1895 that were built in 2007 and are very nicely finished rifles with decent (actually nice wood on the 1895) wood furniture.

The forend and buttstock are simply grossly mismatched on my rifle. I spent several minutes looking closely and I honestly believe the forend is birch vs the butt's walnut construction. Yes, I believe that is exactly the case. The left front of the buttstock (wing, if you like) is so grossly mis-fitted that the wood to metal seam there at the receiver is almost 1/8" I'd say. And this gap is then continued along the top tang back to it's center and along the bottom tang as well, to it's mid point. One could almost slide a dime in between I'd say. The right side is decently inletted, showing a nice even seam at the rear of the receiver and along the top & bottom tang to the center back midpoint.

The metal finish seems fine and function is not overly stiff. Function check by running ammo through the tube and chamber with both 350gr FN and 325 FTX ammo was fine. No shots fired and I'd be very surprised if the stock did not split immediately as poorly as the tang has been inletted. I have almost finished my letter to Marlin that will accompany my rifle back to the repair facility.
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Old 05-22-2011, 04:37 PM
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Well I was thinking I just got lucky with my Guide gun, It is perfect, fit and finish is excellent with beatifully figuered wood. It is by far the nicest Marlin I have ever owned and it shoots just as good as it looks. I bought it less than a year ago, brand new and just figured it was a Remington made Marlin. Well I was cleaning it the other day and saw that it was made in New Haven Ct. and it has the 91xxxxxx serial number, is it a pre Remington made Marlin or not?
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:33 AM
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Well I was thinking I just got lucky with my Guide gun, It is perfect, fit and finish is excellent with beatifully figuered wood. It is by far the nicest Marlin I have ever owned and it shoots just as good as it looks. I bought it less than a year ago, brand new and just figured it was a Remington made Marlin. Well I was cleaning it the other day and saw that it was made in New Haven Ct. and it has the 91xxxxxx serial number, is it a pre Remington made Marlin or not?
It is great to hear that some good ones are out there and keeping their owners smiling. Your guide gun was made in 2009 and given the serial number you mentioned the rifle was manufactured after Remington's take-over and before the physical move to Ilion from North Haven. My 2007 1895 also has gorgeous, well inletted wood and shoots very well. I'll simply hope when my 1895M finally gets back, maybe it will too.
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Marlin was bought out in 2007 and brought under Remington control by Freedom Group. In discussions with former Marlin employees, apparently around 2008, Remington was trying to speed up production by cutting corners. I was told that Remington's goal was to produce a Marlin a minute. This became apparent around 2009 with the problems really starting to crop up then. The problems continued (and getting worse all the time) throughout 2009 and 2010 until Remington moved Marlin production to their facility in Ilion NY. I was told the only old Marlin employee to make the move to NY was a HR guy. So the wealth of knowledge on how to build Marlins was lost.

I'd view any Marlin made with a 91xxxxxx serial number with suspicion as that series was used for 2009 and 2010 production until the North Haven built receivers were used up and Remington start using the MRxxxxxx numbers on their NY production receivers. Also I'd look very close at any MRxxxxxxx guns.
While at the shop, I got to look briefly at a MRxxx numbered rifle, an 1895GS. The metal finish was decent enough and the inletting apeared fine, much better than my rifle's. The stocks were OK, but the forend was not properly finished. The receiver end of the forend was pretty much devoid of any finish of any kind, stain or laquer. (this is the back end of the forend protruding out from the receiver joint). The bullseye and swivel stud seemed aligned & centered pretty well on the stock bottom edge, but the swivel stud was not installed the be 90* off to the line of the stock bottom, being about 20* off there. All in all a much better job on the stock than my rifle had. Price in this shop was $699.
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It is great to hear that some good ones are out there and keeping their owners smiling. Your guide gun was made in 2009 and given the serial number you mentioned the rifle was manufactured after Remington's take-over and before the physical move to Ilion from North Haven. My 2007 1895 also has gorgeous, well inletted wood and shoots very well. I'll simply hope when my 1895M finally gets back, maybe it will too.
Thanks for the info Tnhunter!
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The best thing you can all do before starting DROSS is to take 3 or 4 dummy actual rounds (i.e. no powder and no primer ) and load and cycle them all the way through at the store with permission in front of all gun staff and CCTV to see....That is the event that failed me. Not the aesthetics, fit or finish.

Other than that failure, the rifle was very nice indeed. that's why I was so dissapointed.

As an aerospace engineer and scientist, I will not be revisiting Marlin (or Remington) products untill i see differently.

Good luck to all.

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Old 05-31-2011, 01:01 PM
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Lolly,
I actually have the same problem I have the 1895 .45-70 w/ 26" octagon barrel and always when I load the first round from the magazine it's fine... however ever subsequent round gets hung up and I have to either futz with the lever or turn the gun upside down to get the round loose, then I can close the action to chamber it. I'm generally a big fan of Marlins and I have many..... this is the only one I've had this problem with, or any problem with for that matter.
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I know this thread is old and maybe peoples views have changed
I just bought a Marlin GBL 45-70 on 9-2-11 with the mr serial # prefix
fit and finish is superb I have no complaints about this new Marlin rifle and would recommend
them to others who ask
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Maybe it is best they stopped producing the 450M.

At least now I don't need to hear that they are cr@p rifles.
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They just don't make things with pride anylonger. Buyer beware!!

Almost every new firearm that we've purchased has had one issue or another. Only my Kimber 1911 has performed and showed pride of workmanship.
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The sling mount screw, on the forearm cap, may be over tightened causing a small kink in the magazine tube. Which hangs up the follower and prevents the follower from keeping pressure on the cartridges (situation on my 1895gbl). I used some fine sand paper and reduced the diameter on the follower and problem was solved.
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Lolly, I had the same problem with a Marlin 1894 357. I opened the gun at my dealer to inspect it. When I cycled the action, the magazine plunger and spring shot out the ejection port. I also noticed a gig crack in the stock at the grip. I went ahead and took possession of the gun since it had taken me eight months to get it. I called Marlin and was told to return it for service. I sent the gun back on a Monday and got it back exactly two weeks later. The rifle had been repaired as requested along with two other repairs that were needed. Everything has been fine since. Obviously I got a different repair tech than you. I would return the gun till it was fixed or replaced. Talk to a repair supervisor before sending it back.
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