Not worth my typing time, sorry.

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I put the numbers in Quickload (it lists the Hornaday 350gr. RN and just assumed the FTX had a B.C. of .23 as reported earlier in the thread). I also put 2,100fps for the muzzle velocity of the 350gr. bullet and 2,200fps for the MV of the 325 FTX. Naturally, some folks may get slightly different velocities and what isn't commonly recognized is that different guns will give the same bullet a different B.C. depending on how well they stabilize at the muzzle. But you have to make some assumptions with the numbers.

With a scope height of 1.5" above the bore, and both zeroed for 150 yards, both are just at 2" high at 100 yards. The 350gr. RN is down 6 inches at 200, and the FTX is down 5 inches at 200.

If I can remember how to put both trajectories on the same graph, I will.

Needless to say one inch at 200+ yards doesn't amount to anything practical. Use whatever bullet you want, I'm sure they will both work just fine. It is probably more important to figure out the exact remaining velocity needed for each of the respective bullets to expand, than to pick nits on the trajectory.

Beyond 200 you'd need to know the exact range, holdover, and probably have a decent read on the wind.

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Here ya go. I didn't bother to create an entry for the FTX, I just edited the B.C., bullet weight, and muzzle velocity. And no, I don't know why the cartridge name says .300 Win Mag but anyway the trajectory should be correct.

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Here it is all the way to 300 yards, for those who fancy themselves long-range gunners with a .45-70:

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Are you both idiots?? Interesting to see you completely go against what Hornady, themselves, claim is the true numbers. If you all want to go with what you think, I could care less. I do think, however, that Hornady, who sells these two loads as their own, would NOT short-change either one. And, by the way, you both simply continue to short-change the claimed velocity (I guess it fits your ideas??) I reckon some people just assume(??) stuff they do not know!!


You guys and your argument against a company selling BOTH these loads and publishing the numbers, make me laugh, no puke!

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I'm sorry I don't have the Gun Digest edition you mention, so I was picking up some numbers from the other posts. If my numbers are incorrect, then the trajectory is incorrect.

But, looking back at one of your earlier posts, the "better" load was zeroed 3 minutes higher at 100 yards. That makes a pretty substantial difference in trajectory if you don't catch it, and that sort of bias is almost always present in cartridge comparisons when a company is trying to claim the new cartridge is vastly better than the old one.

If this is what you are basing the comparison on, then of course the 325 will look much, much better. Note the zero range (I added the bold though the rest of the text was from your post earlier)

We could do the reverse and zero the 350 / 2,100 fps load 3 minutes higher. Bet it would look a lot better.

Anyway, get me some numbers of what you'd like to compare and I'll run some more graphs.

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So here's what you get when the cartridges are zeroed at different ranges - now we take the slower round nose (red line) and zero it 3" high at 100, and the faster pointy bullet and zero it for exactly 100 yards (green line).

Neat huh? Actually, the graph proves another good point, which is that it is pretty easy to shortchange yourself on range without an appropriate zero for the cartridge at hand.

The B.C and MV numbers may not be exactly correct, but they make much less difference than the zero range, as far as useful trajectory goes.

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Well it's obvious he's been blinded by Hornady's advertising. He's been shown the facts twice, yet is still in denial. I'm done here. As someone once said, "you can't fix-----------" (fill in the blank) Loce their pistol bullets, but they can keep their (short) brass and the FTX bullets. I've got 200+ rounds of their brass, but paid nothing for it, all picked up off the range.

Alright let's ease up. It's just a mistake, I'm sure he'll figure it out. The graphs will hopefully help.

Not everyone can run trajectory calculations through their head Well, I can't either. that's what the graphs are for.

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He isnt a handloader, he believes what ever the companies claim. I have went threw arguements with him before, it is useless. He will figure it out one day, maybe?

Some will, some won't, Some do, Some don't

Goodness I missed this post and found the thread is still kicking, so I'll kick in a little more.

Yes indeed I mistyped and meant 3000 fps. Good copy edit, thanks.


I have to tell you I loved your crack about deer anatomy. I lived off the land in SE Alaska for more than a quarter century. I shot between a dozen and two dozen deer every year until my son took over the harvest. I have a pretty decent hands-on appreciation of deer anatomy. As well as a lot of experience with a lot of different calibers and loads.

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All I know is that my 1895 Marlin, 45/70 Govern. has chronied a 300 grn Hornady bullet at 2140fps....MAX-LOAD. Also did a 350 grn Hornady bullet 1930fps....MAX-Load

My 1895 Marlin in .444 caliber has shot a Hornady 240 grn bullet at 2442fps. Also used a Hornady 265 grn bullet to a velocity of 2220fps, both of these are MAX-Loads.

I bought some of Hornady Levereveloution bullets at Cabela's for the .444 and they lacked almost 70fps of doing what the box said they would do out of my rifle.

2Bits, there's plenty of good and safe load data that will easily push a 300 grain pill past 2200 fps in a Marlin or Winnie 86 45/70. Another poster on this site posted links to several powder manu's data that shoved them at, or very close to 2400 fps.

Screw 2300 fps with a 300 gr bullet, how about 1040 gr bullet (2 actually) doing 1500 fps ? Just finished test firing my "New" double rifle kit, converted my late 70's TOZ-66 with EAA's 45/70 barrel inserts to a double 45/70 rifle. Packs quite a wallop when you pull both triggers at the same time. Accuracy to 110 yds good enough to hit any deer. Hammer him with two 520 gr bullets at the same time and he's a goin down. Recoil sets you back about 3 ft when you pull both at the same time. I truly know what the old time elephant guns must have been like now.

American Made, those came out of a 1971 Hornady Reloading manual. One might be able to push that 300 grn bullet faster but I shoot cast bullets and really don't need to shoot near that fast for what I am hunting.

Those Beartooth Bullets with a wide metplate do one heck of a great job at destroying tissue / organs and bone, still making an exit hole big enough to drop a half dollar through most times.

Oh, I hear ya on that. I just made mention of it because there are a few guys here who'd like to flatten the arching trajectory as much as possible (including me at times).

Those wide meplats are a thing of beauty aren't they?