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Old 12-23-2012, 12:05 PM
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Does anyone here have any experience with the Pedersoli version of the '86 Win? It looks more to me like a 45/70 version of the '71 Win in overall design. I looked at one at Cabela's and it seemed to be a very nice gun. Good looking wood, nice metal work, and a decent action that seems like it would smooth up nicely with a little working/use. The sights were to my liking. I could see the front bead and get a good sight picture while looking through the large sight hood.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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Does anyone here have any experience with the Pedersoli version of the '86 Win? It looks more to me like a 45/70 version of the '71 Win in overall design. I looked at one at Cabela's and it seemed to be a very nice gun. Good looking wood, nice metal work, and a decent action that seems like it would smooth up nicely with a little working/use. The sights were to my liking. I could see the front bead and get a good sight picture while looking through the large sight hood.
I bought one last week. It's going in for warranty service this week. It hasn't even been fired yet. I ordered it on-line and it was shipped out of the Wheeling, WV, Cabela's store to my FFL in Western New York. It looks great on the outside and I'm sure a well conditioned body builder could work the action after working on it for a week or two. To complete the cycle of the lever, you have to "bump" the lever with the palm of your hand to get it to raise the carrier. My fingers are bruised from trying to do it just by working the lever the normal way. It's just binding too bad to do it that way. After reading several posts on line after getting the gun, I loaded some dummy rounds up with different bullets using new brass and tried cycling them through the action. They bind coming out of the magazine tube about 80% of the time and if and when any of them come out and sit on the carrier they will NEVER come up to the chamber since the carrier will not lift. After slamming the lever with my hand a few times some of them will raise up to the chamber. Examining these new cases reveals a LOT of gouges and burr marks on the outside of the cases. I guess for the low price of fourteen-hundred dollars (on sale, seventeen regular price) Pedersoli can't afford to pay anyone to cycle test these guns or polish the internal parts. Oh yeah, I called Cabelas and was told that corporate has nothing to do with making this right, take the problem up with the retail store. I called them and they said that I had to mail them the gun or mail it to the warranty center for repair. I asked about who's going to pay for that and was told I was. Also, Cabela's web site states under policies that a new gun, less than thirty days old, will be repaired or replaced at their discretion. The sales rep in Wheeling said that that only applies to used guns. I went back and checked and it clearly states NEW GUNS. Wheeling doesn't even know the company policies. I'm trying to get a new gun out of them. Fixing a gun that I just got and haven't even had out of the house just seems plain wrong. It's like buying a new car that was in a collision but the dealer telling you "we fixed it so it's OK". I call this selling me a refurbished gun for a new price. Heck, with any luck I might get it back from the warranty center by summer and maybe it'll work? Who knows? If you haven't gotten it yet this is something to think about. I know I'm not very happy. Something happened at Cabela's. Two years ago I bought a Pedersoli High Wall and it arrived with a cracked stock. At that time they sent UPS to my house the next day to pick up the gun and immediately shipped another one to my FFL. They didn't tell me to take it up with the store or ship it in for warranty. Looks like their customer service has taken a giant step in the wrong direction.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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I have one of their Sharps replicas. Very nice gun for what I paid for it ($850) No complaints about it whatsoever. I guess their Q/C went downhill since I bought the Sharps. As for Cabelas customer service, the one I frequent has about THE worst customer service and in store service I've ever seen.(Gonzales La) If you want to look at a gun on the rack..........................good luck with that, they usually only have two people working the gun counter, everyone else is fiddling around with the stock on the shelves, or just walking around "looking" like they're busy, they will ignore you completely. So far I limit my purchases to just powder and bullets, never bought a gun there, did go in one day with cash in hand to buy one, but couldn't get someone to wait on me. I spent thirty minutes at the gun counter before walking out the door.

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Old 12-23-2012, 01:20 PM
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I have one of their Sharps replicas. Very nice gun for what I paid for it ($850) No complaints about it whatsoever.
I've had two Sharps and one High Wall. They were fine. However, they aren't even close in design to a lever gun and that was the question.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:29 PM
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I've had two Sharps and one High Wall. They were fine. However, they aren't even close in design to a lever gun and that was the question.
Well many times you CAN get an idea as to a company's products from going by the other things they manufacture. So Please in the future don't ASSume I'm some sort of Moron by offering my experiences when they don't directly relate to a problem or question. Not sure why you'd buy a 45/70 when you find a 44 magnum unpleasant to shoot.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:44 PM
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Well many times you CAN get an idea as to a company's products from going by the other things they manufacture. So Please in the future don't ASSume I'm some sort of Moron by offering my experiences when they don't directly relate to a problem or question. Not sure why you'd buy a 45/70 when you find a 44 magnum unpleasant to shoot.

An old saying but still appropriate.
"Better to remain quiet and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"
I wasn't trying to offend you, you're over reacting.

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Old 12-23-2012, 01:53 PM
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I do, I own more than one of each.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:06 PM
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I am sorry if I may have inadvertently got something started here. I just was curious since I haven't read anything online, and couldn't find anything in search mode here.

The one I looked at at the Dundee MI store was pretty nice as I said. The carrier worked very well in this one for a new, unfired/worked gun. The service at all Cabela's seems to have gone down the drain, especially since the shooting at the school. Sales clerks everywhere seem pissed off at having to deal with the people on the line when they call in to do the NCIC check, and at having so many guys asking for an AR platform weapon. I have had fairly good luck in the past at Cabela's, and have bought several guns from stores in other states then had them shipped here for me to actually look at then buy if I was satisfied with the gun.

I just picked up a used, but new in the box USRAC '86 EL at a local gunshop. I got what I consider a darn good price, especially after checking around for a few weeks anywhere I could locate any version of the '86 to compare prices. It isn't my first 45/70 by any stretch, but it is my first '86.

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Old 12-23-2012, 05:38 PM
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I spent a lot of time on line trying to find info on the Pedersoli 1886/71 when I decided I might want one. The sale price seemed really good and I have some other Pedersolis that are great shooters and well made guns. The only info I could find was a couple of posts where they talked about feeding problems but went on to say how good the gun looked. Even the one review Cabela's has on their website states that the buyer has a feeding problem with the gun he bought. It seems like there are some good ones and bad ones out there. That can happen with any gun. What really got me was the attitude Cabela's has about doing something about it. They don't seem to want to take any ownership after the sale. I've only had the gun a week and it hasn't even been shot yet. It's obviously defective and it's easy to see that when you cycle the action or try to cycle shells through it. I've been a loyal Cabela's customer for over forty years and they've always been an outstanding company to deal with. Like I said, as recently as two years ago I had a problem with a Pedersoli and they went above and beyond to take care of me and I really appreciated it. This time is different. I guess the only thing I can tell you is don't buy one on line. If you can go to the store and handle it and it cycles reasonably smoothly and the carrier comes up on the down stroke it's probably OK. I, myself will never buy another one sight unseen. You can't trust them to make it right if there's a problem. Fourteen hundred bucks is a lot of money to spend on a gun that doesn't work and needs to be sent out for repair the same day you get it. I would expect them to replace the gun. I'm still working on getting this resolved so maybe they'll do something. Good luck on what ever you do.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:43 PM
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Man, I'm sorry for all your troubles. It does indeed suck when you lay out any amount of money, but especially a large amount, and the gun doesn't work correctly. I hope you get it all sorted out to your satisfaction.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:45 AM
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Update on Cabela's

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Cabela's called this morning and told me they'd be happy to send me a new gun to replace the defective one I received. They will be compensating me for my FFL transaction fees and shipping to return the defective gun. I just want to let everyone know that they are still a great company to deal with and it was just a matter on reaching the right person to get this corrected. I asked them to check the specific problem I was having to make sure the replacement one fully functional and they said they would. They offered sincere apologies and I accepted. Next time I buy one though I think I'll go to the store and pick one out myself. It's a long drive but there's a lot of other things to look at while I'm there.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:46 AM
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Glad to hear that they're taking care of it for you. That's the way the store nearest me (relatively speaking) used to be.

Just an FYI- my new/unfired '86 is the basically same way regarding the carrier. You really have to work the lever smartly to make sure you raise it to feed a new round or it is all too easy to eject the round from the chamber and close the bolt on an empty chamber. I am assuming/hoping it'll function a bit easier with usage like most mechanical things do.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:59 PM
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Does the new Pedersoli 86/71 have the "hook" on the cartridge carrier that pulls on the rim of the cartridge backwards, like the original 1886? Or does it have no hook, relying on a long enough cartridge to feed properly and not get bumped when reloading smartly? These are the reasons that Harold Johnson of Cooper Landing, Alaska, when he built the original 450 Alaskans, favored the 86 over the 71.

My custom 71 in 50-110WCF does not have the hook but since it is the full length cartridge, it does not matter. In 50 Alaskan it might be a problem.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:28 PM
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Does the new Pedersoli 86/71 have the "hook" on the cartridge carrier that pulls on the rim of the cartridge backwards, like the original 1886? Or does it have no hook, relying on a long enough cartridge to feed properly and not get bumped when reloading smartly? These are the reasons that Harold Johnson of Cooper Landing, Alaska, when he built the original 450 Alaskans, favored the 86 over the 71.

My custom 71 in 50-110WCF does not have the hook but since it is the full length cartridge, it does not matter. In 50 Alaskan it might be a problem.
Not an answer to your question but....

Back when I lived in AK in the mid '80's, I stopped in and looked around the old building that used to be Harold Johnson's shop. It still had his signs hanging there, though they were mighty weathered looking even back then. I'll have to ask my bro if it is still there. He drives by there at least a few times every week. Back then when I was there, it was located many miles from the nearest "urban" environment, and was located right next to the Kenai river, and looked much the way it does in the single most famous pictire of Harold standing out in front of it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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In the late 90:s a neighbor visited me on my trapline together with a fellow from Washington state.
This man saw my Browning 1886 hanging on the cabin wall and we started talking big bore lever guns.
It turned out that he lived next door to Harold Johnson and had one of the original 450 Alaskan made by Johnson, who after living in Alaska had moved south to pursue other business interests. Later I remember reading an article in Rifle magazine that Mr. Johnson had passed away.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:00 PM
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Do you keep in touch with the fellow who owned the Johnson rifle?
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:16 PM
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No, I only met the man once.
As I recall, he was not a hunter, he had just taken an interest in the Johnson made rifle.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:46 AM
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I've had my 86/71 a while and took it to the range to check some starting loads etc. beautiful rifle, tight action like others apparently but mine isn't too bad... Only real problem was the rear sight fell out of the dovetail after only a few rounds (420 grain, chrono said around 1750 fps). Unsat... I'll likely move to a peep sight, but I still love the gun. Not happy about some of this because of the initial cost but I'm keeping it!
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:05 AM
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Where credit is due...
Cabela's called this morning and told me they'd be happy to send me a new gun to replace the defective one I received. They will be compensating me for my FFL transaction fees and shipping to return the defective gun. I just want to let everyone know that they are still a great company to deal with and it was just a matter on reaching the right person to get this corrected. I asked them to check the specific problem I was having to make sure the replacement one fully functional and they said they would. They offered sincere apologies and I accepted. Next time I buy one though I think I'll go to the store and pick one out myself. It's a long drive but there's a lot of other things to look at while I'm there.
Cabela's is a GREAT COMPANY!!! They did send me another new gun. Only problem is that it's the same as the first one. I sent it back and Cabela's refunded my money. I'm pretty disappointed in Pedersoli but I'm really pleased with Cabela's. They do stand behind everything they sell and they don't let you hang out to dry if there's a problem. I ended up buying an old stock, new in box, Winchester 1886 and it's perfect. It functions flawlessly and shoots very accurately. I've owned Pedersoli rifles before and they were excellent. However, they were Sharps single shots, not lever guns. I think their "reverse engineering" could use a little improvement.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:54 PM
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Glad to hear that they're taking care of it for you. That's the way the store nearest me (relatively speaking) used to be.

Just an FYI- my new/unfired '86 is the basically same way regarding the carrier. You really have to work the lever smartly to make sure you raise it to feed a new round or it is all too easy to eject the round from the chamber and close the bolt on an empty chamber. I am assuming/hoping it'll function a bit easier with usage like most mechanical things do.
I have a Pedersoli 86/71 Premium Grade with the case hardened receiver.........an absolutely gorgeous firearm & the w/m fit is of course impeccable.

I'm shooting a load that features a 430 grain HC FN lead bullet and yes when the gun was brand new you needed to lever the gun "with authority" to ensure the carrier lifted the next round to chamber level or else the round sat at the bottom of the receiver in front of the tube magazine gate & the bolt closed on an empty chamber.

After 50 or so rounds that goes away.

The smoothest 86 or 92 action around and unlike the Miroku built Winchester 86s or 71s no mutli-component rebounding hammer linkage to freeze up or add drag to the action or tang safety to get you killed when charged by a peeved off bear or a big mad hog.

This gun follows the original JMB design with the perfectly adequate half cock safety.........NO rebounding hammer........NO tang safety.
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