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Old 12-10-2012, 12:16 PM
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S&W M&P 15 ORC questions


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Picking up a M&P 15 ORC thursday and looking for a little setup info from someone that has already gone through that.

Right now I'm looking at these sights AR-15/M16 MBUS GEN 2 SIGHT SET, Black from Brownells. Has anyone got them and are they the right heights to properly line up on the ORC. Have no desire to go diving through the dirt with it so I think these are more than good enough if they work on the ORC.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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I've got the MBUS on my Oracle (which they are NOT the right height for) and they are not bad. Feel pretty sturdy to be plastic and they snap open positively. The M&P gas block looks to be the right height for them. That said, they are not recomended for mounting on the gas block due to potential heat issues. I have not had any trouble but have mostly shot groups and leisurely plinking. In an urgent situation they might fail you.

One other factor is the bulk, especially of the front sight. The sight body is broad and flat. Most metal sights are probably half as wide which leaves better visibility.

These sights came with my DPMS and sort of suit it. That S&W is a nice rifle though and honestly I think they would look like a cheap out on it.

Looking at Brownell's, the Daniel Defense fixed sight set looks like a good bet for not much more money.

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...px?ICID=300045

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Old 12-10-2012, 01:18 PM
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If you are indeed looking for a folding sight, disreguard this;
but if you are looking for a bullet proof, dependable functional iron sight, look into these two:
https://danieldefense.com/components...ear-sight.html
LaRue Tactical B.U.I.S. QD LT103 | LaRue Tactical
They don't fold, but are about the best out there. I have the LaRue on two of my AR's and love em!!!
For a front, I'd recommend two also:
https://danieldefense.com/components...ont-sight.html
Or the Troy:
Troy HK Style Front Folding Front Battle Sight | LaRue Tactical

Hope these help.
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and the LaRue

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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S***t! Didn't think about the polymer sitting on the gas check. I ordered the dang things from Brownells, before I checked back here. I tried to call immediatly to try and cancel but they were close, hopefully I can catch it first thing tomorrow AM. I didn't see the Daniels fixed when I was looking the first time but I will probably go with those.

Another one of these deals where I try to save a nickle and it cost me a $1. I've spent so dang much on guns the past few months I've tried to save a little and it has bit me in the butt every time.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:50 PM
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If you want folding I run three that I have been perfectly happy with. The TROY BUIS is excellent. So is the YHM QDS, and if you want to keep the A2 fixed sight look but with a folder, the ARMS 41BL is absolute tops.
The ARMS's biggest advantage is it looks just like an A2 front sight post when deployed but folds neatly out of the way for scope use. It is rock solid too.
The TROY locks up but not in the down position. The YHM locks both up and down. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. The TROY rear BIUS lays closer to the upper and fits more easily under a scope than does the YHM QDS even though YHM says it is flatter. It IS flatter than the TROY if you opt for the single aperture, but if you get a dual aperture like the TROY has, then it sticks up and will not clear a scope that the TROY easily clears. However, on a couple of my heavy kickers (a lot more kick than a 5.56 or 6.8 will ever have) I have had the TROY front sights self deploy after a few shots.
IMO the perfect sight would be TROYs that lock both up and down, or the YHM that had the rear sight folding as flat or flatter than the TROY.
Since you want one that fits a gas block, then of the ones mentioned the TROY is the only one of the three that has one for mounting on a railed gas block. YHM makes one but it is rather clunky looking. It works great but is not the QDS I mentioned above.
The MBUS, I got a set, mickey mouse POS and now they sit in my junk box. They are a last ditch better than nothing site IMO and while they certainly have their place, it just so happens it will never again be on any of my rifles. And I am not a MagPul hater. I have more Mag-Pul stocks than a person should have the right to own, but their MBUS, POS as far as I am concerned.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:52 PM
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Hopefully Brownell's can catch the order before it leaves. Those DD sights look indestructable.

I've been pushing the shooting budget pretty hard myself. With the dollar on the decline, I feel fine being "invested" in guns and other such useful things.
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Well, the DD fixed sight set is $113 and the Troy folding set is $195.

Right now, I see no need for anything but the fixed set, "BUT" it's not that much more to go ahead and get the Troy set. I've tried to be cheap and that didn't work. I may as well go ahead, bite the bullet and get a good folding set, just in case I decided to try some optics down the road, even though that's not in the plans for this one.

Besides, I'm getting the rifle is a little less than $900, then the fact it's tax free and will be getting a $100 S&W military rebate on top of that, you could almost say they are going to be free anyway.

I'm not a Black Rifle fan, and think about how nice of another 700 I could build with the money, but believe it or not, my wife thinks it's a good idea we get them. She's the one that insisted we get the Glock's, well she said pistols, I decided on Glocks. I guess she's been watching some of those Dooms Day Preper episodes or something. Which I guess one can always use a little extra (legal) fire power.

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:47 AM
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you will be a black rifle fan after you play with that one......

They've really come far.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:46 AM
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I went ahead and ordered the Troy HK fold down set, I want to get them on the way. If I can't stop the other order I'll just send it back when it gets here. I've been wanting to play with one of those Holographic sites and this might be something pratical to try one on, the fold downs would probably be needed for something like that.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:20 AM
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Brownells is really good about returns on stuff for any reason. I don't think they will refund your shipping though, nor should they.
If you are looking for a holographic sight, may I recommend the EOTech? I like the 512AA unit but it does not have NV. I have no reason for NV or other NV equipment so why pay for it? They make AA battery , CR123 versions, N versions, and probably another one or two since I bought my last one. They are about as bullet proof an optic as you can get and they have held up perfectly on some pretty heavy kickers. My hunting buddy uses one on his 3.5 inch 12 ga. and that kicks more than any AR out there, including my .470 Rhino!
The EOTechs work really nice with the TROYs and co-witness perfectly. I like sights to co-witness because that gives you a really quick way to check your zero. It would be odd that something took out both the optic and the BUIS at the same time, and if it did, I doubt your major worry would be if the rifle was sighted in any more.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:32 PM
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Congrats on your choice.

I'm an Aimpoint guy. I prefer those over all others. As Big Bore stated, the Eotech is an excellent choice, but personally I cannot focus on the Eotech reticule, it always appears fuzzy to me.
The other sight I like are the Trijicons, as pictured above. It uses fiber optics for daytime, and tritium for night.

Good luck with your choices.....looks as if the black rifle bug has bitten you.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:57 PM
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I would not be getting a EOTech first. For a couple of months I've been thinking about putting one on my granddaughters 10/22 so we can play with it but looking at one of those in the $100 - 200 range for starters. I was just thinking one of these AR might make a good toy to try one on.

Also, a little background info, I don't need night sights on and AR, I don't really even need sights period until I want to start shooting smaller targets at extended ranges (100 yards or so).

You see, I've put thousand upon thousands of rounds down an M-16 (M-60 also but that's a different subject). I spent several years teaching special firing technics for the M-16 in the military. One of my main courses was teaching how to night fire the M-16. The other was instinct shooting with the M-16.

I've just never felt I really had a need for one in the civilian world until my wife started thinking maybe we should get a couple legal, high capacity rifles for self protection.

I've mentioned I was in the Air Force, but spent most of my time in special duty assignments, which required me to complete Ranger school and a few years training with the Special Forces, so I'm not exactly a stranger to the Black rifles but have been out of touch with with them for 15 years all the whiz bang stuff they're using now. The StarLight scope was about the latest and greatest thing going then, now, they've they've got night scopes 1,000 times better than that big monster.

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You see, I've put thousand upon thousands of rounds down an M-16 (M-60 also but that's a different subject). I spent several years teaching special firing technics for the M-16 in the military. One of my main courses was teaching how to night fire the M-16. The other was instinct shooting with the M-16.
I somehow figured as much.

FYI, I don't need night sights either, it just came as a function of the Trijicon.
The Trijicon is really a neat sighting system.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:45 PM
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Picked up the M&P 15 OR today and my good deal turned into a great deal. They were already giving me a small discount on the rifle that made it just under $900, S&W has the $100 rebate, plus no sales tax in the PX but when I go to pay for it she tells me if I put $1,000 on my MilStar Card they would give me an instant $200 gift card to spend how and when we wanted. My wife was picking up a few Christmas gifts so I told here to bring her stuff to the gun counter. I charged $1,007 on card, got the gift cards, then went to customer service and made a $1,007 dollar payment on the MilStar card. I've got less than $600 in a new M&P 15 OR. It was the OR instead of the ORC as they said, which I like better. I was sorry that was their only one, I would have bought two for that (well my wife would have bought one also).

My SB dies came today so I'm resizing every piece of 223 brass, (my Lapua Match brass also came for the 700 so all other brass will go into AR's) and loading bullets tonight. Troy sights will here tomorrow so I will go play some shootem up bang, bang tomorrow after noon and see how this one shoots.

Talk about not careing, I'm resizing, depriming, priming, dumping powder with dumper and seating a bullet. Not measure anything other to set seating depth and not even cleaning brass or primer pockets. Even mixing all head stamps into one batch of bullets and care less if there's .001" or .020" runout on bullets.

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Old 12-15-2012, 07:18 AM
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Congrats on the great deal. At that price, I too would have been tempted by another.

I've not been in a hurry to reload for the AR. Being a semi auto there is more risk of problems. Mostly I want to be convinced that my crimp is good. The ride from mag to chamber can be rough and I don't want the bullet being set back in the case or pulled when manually extracting a live round. Got a Lee Factory Crimp Die a while back but haven't tried it yet. Got plenty of factory FMJ to use so no hurry.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:20 PM
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Well, between the Bushmaster and the S&W, I've shot 250 rounds, none of those were crimped and neither one has made bullet move yet with about .002" interference. I shot 50 rounds through the S&W today with 23 grains of AA 2230 behind Speer 70 grain bullets (which is right at a max load according to AA's Data Page) and they were flawless. I have ordered JP's Tuned buffer spring and ST-T2 heavy buffer because I don't like the clunky feeling I get with the stock ones. If that don't work, I will go with the Hydraulic buffer. I guess after thousands of rounds through M-16's, this one feels almost like shooting a Browning A5 shotgun. Never could stand to feel that barrel sliding back and fourth on those either. Also, since I have no intentions of shooting 50 or 55 grains loads, that heavy bullet and load will probably do much better with the better spring and buffer.
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