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Old 01-20-2008, 06:05 PM
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I am thinking of getting a new star sizer to eliminate pan lubing then sizing. How well does the star sizer switch between calibers and how well does the luber work with big lube bullets like the PRS. I make my own bullet lube from bee's wax, mutton tallow and parifine wax and it needs to be heated to run through a lube sizer. It's about the consistancy and feel of SPG. Is the air powered lube feed worth the extra expense?

I don't realy need 2000 rounds an hour feed rate, but I don't know of any other lubesizer that uses nose first feed and have heard good things about the star.

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Old 01-20-2008, 06:24 PM
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Star sizers are excellent, but why not do the Lee sizer and the liquid alox. It's a nose first sizer and over the 15 years or so I've been using the Lee system I've had really great results with it.

This lube system is simple and quick and works as well as my Star ever did.
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Old 01-20-2008, 06:46 PM
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One of my pards in Cowboy Action shooting, Lou Graham, uses a Star for her Big Lube bullets and says it's waaay better than her old RCBS because;

A) nose down feeding - no "extra handling", and
B) fills up those big lube grooves in one pass - the RCBS took two passes.

Me, I have the RCBS, but I'm too lazy to use it, especially when I can get 2000 sized bullets, 1k aready lubed for BP and the other 1k unlubed for BP sub powder for about $70 (picked up).
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Old 01-20-2008, 07:52 PM
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I use liquid alox for smokless rounds and it works good for me. The reason for a lube sizer is for black powder rounds. I'm curently pan lubing and using a lee sizer and it works well, but between pan lubing and sizing it takes a while to get a bunch of bullets up. The big lube bullets have about 5 times the capacity of a normal bullets lube groves, I can use them for smokless but use a differant design for the heathen smokless stuff.
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:11 PM
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I don't have a lot of experience with the black powder stuff, shot a bunch of rifle rounds and used various lubes on them such as bore butter, and the Alox, but was shooting triple seven and that's a whole different ball park.

The Star lubrisizers are an excellent piece of machinery, but pricy. If you shoot a bunch and it sounds like you do it would probably be a good investment. You might check the auction sites for a used one. Their darn near impossible to wear out.
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:36 PM
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Thanks, I don't do THAT much shooting, or at least I don't think I do, some people think I do too much! The main thing for me is that I'm tied up all day lubing and anouther day sizing, I'd like to get it too one operation. I used to just pan lube and it wasn't too bad, but every now and then I'd run into a rifle round that wouldn't chamber and that's not good in the middle of a match. I still mostly just pan lube for the pistols, but if a round won't chamber it's at the loading bench, not in the middle of a shoot.

If all I was shooting was smokless I'd probably use nothing but alox, but I probably shoot 10 times black powder as I do smokless.

A buddy of mine got a lyman lube sizer and it works well, but it's a base first and some times the rounds would get cockeyed and I like the way Lee's nose first works.

I wonder if there's a way to drill a hole in a lee sizer die and inject lube?
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:56 PM
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The way the Lee sizer is set up that may be a real problem. Better to just bite the bullet so to speak and get the Star.

Sounds like your having a good time, but do really need to speed up your lubing and sizing. I spend more and more time plunking the 22's now than the centerfires. I get the 10 buck bricks from Wally world and the grand daughters and I see how many tin cans we can perforate. Their 14 and 15 this year and have been shooting since they were six and seven. Their one goal is to outshoot grandpa and they take great glee when they get a smaller group than I do.

Boy do they love shooting and both can humiliate most of the boys around here with a revolver or rifle. Makes me grin everytime they outshoot one of them.
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Old 01-20-2008, 09:03 PM
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Yep, lots of fun, just takes longer than I like to roll the rounds. That's one reason for casting I love my 6 cavity moulds, lots of bullets quick.

How hard is it to change calibers on the star? I shoot three main calibers, 45, 44, and 38.
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Old 01-20-2008, 11:43 PM
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. . . How hard is it to change calibers on the star? I shoot three main calibers, 45, 44, and 38.
Not too hard. Sizer dies come with 2 or 3 rows of lube ports and some lead shot. You prep your dies once, according to the number of lube grooves in your bullet(s) by filling in the unneeded lube ports with the lead shot. After that, the die is installed in the lubrisizer using the die install/remove tool, the universal top punch is adjusted (according to the specs supplied by Magma/Star) and some pressure is cranked into the lube reservoir. With maybe a few minor adjustments, you are ready to go. It may sound a little complicated but preping and changing dies does not take that much time. I size the same calibers that you mentioned and my dies, once preped, only have to be inserted into the lubrisizer. I really like my Star, it is a commercial quality tool that can turn out a bunch of bullets in a hurry and that is without using any additional accessories.
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:17 AM
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Thanks, the star sounds like a good machine. They advertise a air system to pressureize the lube, is it worth it?
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:10 AM
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star luber

The air systems are nice if you don't mind hearing a air compressor run while you lube bullets I had to buy a small compressor to use with it but I found that a 1/4 ratchet with socket and a bolt in the top of the shaft work just as good if you deside that you do want one I would not mind selling mine because I do not use it any more Forest Punch
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Old 01-21-2008, 04:18 PM
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Thanks, the star sounds like a good machine. They advertise a air system to pressureize the lube, is it worth it?
Since I run my Star without any accessories, I know that I can get about 15 bullets lubed and sized before having to adjust (turn the lube pressure screw to increase tension) the pressure in the lube reservoir. Half to three quarters turn will do it. If you are using a hard lube, like I do, a heater is necessary to keep the lube soft. I use the Lyman unit letting it warm for about 15 minutes before starting to lube and size. Once the lube gets warm, I turn the power bar switch off so it doesn't get too hot and cycle the switch periodically to maintain heat. There are other methods of keeping the heater warm e.g. dimmer switch and duplex outlet. If you wish to simplify things, the air system may be for you but understand that more accessories will increase both cost and production to the point where you have "souped up" your Star to turn out far more bullets than you actually need. IMO, suggest you try the basic Star first for a while, then add on later if you feel it is necessary.

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Old 01-21-2008, 05:38 PM
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Thanks, I'll probably start with the basic outfit then I may or may not add extras. My only concern was that with my limited experiance with a lyman lube sizer is that I had to turn the compression screw about 1/2 a turn for every big lube bullet. I'll see how the star's works before spending any more money than I have too.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:08 AM
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. . . My only concern was that with my limited experiance with a lyman lube sizer is that I had to turn the compression screw about 1/2 a turn for every big lube bullet. . .
You'll like the Star then. The pressure screw drives a BIG coil spring down on the lube so a half to three quarters turn will lube about 15 bullets and I am talking about 240 gr. .44's or 255 gr. .45's. After you've used the Star for a while, you can feel when the pressure needs to be adjusted and do it automatically. BTW, when adding lube to the reservoir, run the existing lube way down before doing so. I made the mistake of adding a lube stick when the existing stick was only about half used up. Due to that big coil spring, it was the dickens trying to recap the reservoir! I will only make that mistake once! Best wishes!
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:49 AM
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what kind of lube sticks does it take, the hollow round ones? In any event I'll have to make a mould as I make my own lube and have about two gallons made up.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:28 AM
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Nothing is inserted through the lube stick so it will take either solid or hollow center. I only use the solid. I get my lube from "Jake's" purple ceresin off eBay. If the lube you make is a soft one, you won't even need the heater.
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Old 01-22-2008, 12:05 PM
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lube

Will the star takes a solid stick if lube all you need for a lube mould is a piece of 1 inch inside diamenter pvc pipe a 1 inch dowel rod and a flat end cap (not the rounded type ) screwed to a board I have a board with 12 on it 6 hollow and 6 solid Forest Punch
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:13 PM
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That's good to know I won't have to screw with making hollow lube tubes. My lubes hardness depends on the weather, when it's hot down here it's fairly soft, but in the cold shop it gets pretty hard. It's about the hardness and consistancy of SPG, so I'll need a heater, but it won't take much heat to make it flow.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:16 PM
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Star Sizer/Lube Machines last forever!

My father used a 'Star' S/L for many years and when he passed I got it. I've been trying to wear it out ever since (something like thirty years total!). If you have ever used the Lyman/RCBS/et al you will really appreciate the Star. Be warned...if you use the Star you probably won't be able to go back.

It's somewhat more complicated than the Lee Tumble Lube/Size/Lube route but does everything in one operation. One recommendation...if you don't have a heated place one of those 'heater plates' is nice. Of course, you can accomplish the same thing with your propane torch.

Good Luck
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:34 PM
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Thanks, I look forward to getting my hands on one.
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