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Old 04-25-2011, 03:10 PM
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Swampdoc and sunwheel29 ,
Must someone remind you that religion is about one thing . Belief and belief is what it is all about. We are free to chose to believe and or reject. I sum all your lengthy words with one .

Belief.
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I believe it is in itself "arrogent" to believe any one of us actually "knows" anything. Believe what you believe, but do not for one second believe there cant be any other alternatives.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:29 PM
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Greek philosophies replaced most of what the original Apostles taught by 140, including polytheism which was the Jewish concept of worshipping God as three distinct personages, not a three in one incorporated being. Besides the early Gentile converts rejected "everything" Jewish from their new religion including the Jewish concept of God and the need of proper priesthood authority, which Christendom has been without eversince then. Those of us of the Hebrew lineage who have accepted Christ as our Savior; do so with the original Hebrew doctrines of God; rejecting all of the ideas that have been perpetuated by the Gentiles in the past 2000 years. So I accept Christ ( who was a Jew), but I rejectGentile theology
I don't know where you got all this from but its all incorrect.

We should only believe what God has revieled about Himself in the bible, the very book that He wrote Himself through the aid of The Holy Spirit. For someone to speak all the contrived falsehoods that are in this thread is a sin against the first 3 commandments. I don't have time to address all this, so instead I recommend you all start reading the Holy Bible from a modern version. The problem is that the version that I most recommend is the NIV, that is the origional version not the one that they just replaced it with, but if you have the older version then please read it, all of it.

God is not happy when we misuse His Holy Name, which has been greatly misued by all the falsehood within this thread. Why does anyone seel God through a book that was written by men who do not have the one true faith and have not been guided by The Holy Spirit?

I'm sorry but this just makes me feel ill. I can't imagine how this has tested the patience of Our Lord-God.

If you don't have the origional version of the NIV then try The English Standard version, or more commanly called The ESV.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:42 PM
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Jim,

They have ears but they do not hear.

I have shaken the dust off my feet when it comes to these people. It is like casting pearls to swine, they just trample the Bible underfoot and believe what they want.

May God have mercy on us all.
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:51 AM
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Jim,

They have ears but they do not hear.

I have shaken the dust off my feet when it comes to these people. It is like casting pearls to swine, they just trample the Bible underfoot and believe what they want.

May God have mercy on us all.
Thanks for your reply. What a shame they do not believe in the free gift of salvation. This is itself the chief reason why the Jews are nopt Christians. They failed to believe God The Father and His promises of salvation, that He Himself would come down from Heaven to give them salvation and the promise of life with Him in paradise.
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Sunwheel,

How do you know Jesus could rean and write? There is no mention of it in the Bible. Nowhere does it say "He read" or "He wrote". It does say we should not add to or take away from what he spoke but everyone seems more or less to totally ignore that.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:21 PM
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The Hebrews were polytheists who worshipped many deities. One was a spirit, called God because it was the spitit of goodness. God and the Holy Spitit are not separate entities. They are not two in one any more than my dog Spot is two oin one, one Dog & one Spot.

Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be. His own teachings refute it. Jesus clearly identifies who he is, a messenger, a prophet, sent by God to deliver a message to mankind in God's hope that Man will listen to the message and obey it so that Man can experience salvation. Jesus never claimed to be any more.

You will notice that Man has not yet attained salvation. That is because instead of listening and obeying Men have chosen to revise that message to their own end. Some people just can not follow instructions.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:08 PM
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Old 01-27-2012, 05:34 AM
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Sunwheel,

How do you know Jesus could rean and write? There is no mention of it in the Bible. Nowhere does it say "He read" or "He wrote". It does say we should not add to or take away from what he spoke but everyone seems more or less to totally ignore that.
FWIW:

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Luke 4 :16


16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


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John 8:6


6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.


7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Sounds like Jesus could read and write to me
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Old 01-29-2012, 05:44 AM
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I suspect God has a good chuckle over reading discourses such as the above. God provides us with wonderful sun rises and sun sets, if we are truely blessed there's beautiful grandchildren to enjoy and spoil.
I can visualise God shaking his head and chuckling remembering learned, foolish men arguing intensely, at length over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:02 PM
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Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us........

John 8:42 - 8:58 and this ends with Before Abraham was, I am.

Clearly, the passages in Genesis clearly speak of the Trinity - Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

It's ok. They called our Lord a glutton and a winebibber. I will pray as well.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:58 PM
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Sunwheel,

How do you know Jesus could read and write? There is no mention of it in the Bible. Nowhere does it say "He read" or "He wrote". It does say we should not add to or take away from what he spoke but everyone seems more or less to totally ignore that.
If you were to read the gospel of Luke, chapter 4 verses 16 and 17, you will know that Jesus could read very well thank you very much!! It would seem that a lot of opinions are being expressed vigorously without factual information, I believe this does much harm to "The Kingdom" here on earth. Jesus said ; I and the Father are one!! Hey and guess what, He's alive, and I'm forgiven. God bless, Yellowboy.
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All I know is this: There is something awfully good up there, out there . . . somewhere & that goodness set down a good set of rules for us to live by. I don't like religious arguements because they all seem to go nowhere. I don't get into them. I just try to play by the rules. We all know what they are. They were instilled in all of us at the moment of conception. It's funny how I've always known the right thing to do even though I may not have done it. That voice comes from within & has never lied to me.
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FWIW:

Reading:


Luke 4 :16


16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


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John 8:6


6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.


7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Sounds like Jesus could read and write to me
THANK YOU. I surely have overlooked those passages.
Now have you found any passages where Jesus himself indicated he could read and write.

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Old 02-29-2012, 08:41 PM
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God is one, not three. God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit. They are One. Any other view has been condemned as heresy for almost two thousand years.
Not two thousand years. It has only been considered heresy since the Catholic church declared it to be heresy and started killing those who refused to submit to its dogma.

In the years immediately after Jesus many Christians disavowed the concept of the trinity until they were suppressed by the bloody sword of the Roman Empire. Although Jesus said "Judge not lest ye be judged", apparently the church either never got that far or it didn't consider the teachings of Jesus himself relevant.

Things haven't changed that much as many churches routinely reject the teachings of Jesus himself in favor of "The customs and traditions of men".
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I cannot believe in a three in one incorporated being like many Gentiles do. It simply is contrary to logic and reason
Logic is a word that is not in my Bible KJV or NIV? Really I looked. Reason occurred 71 times in 69 versus and they are very interesting. They also present quite a study. Isa 1 has alot of interesting things to say and during which is the let us reason together line which I find interesting in and of itself.

I found the word religion in the Bible 5 times in five verses in the KJV and NIV, they were a very interesting read too, as they occur in different verses and books all together. Yep certain books in the KJV and others in the NIV.

So now the "CRAZY" statement. I believe that it is entirely possible for Jesus to return and for HE and His father, GOD, and the Holy Spirit to disapprove of ALL religions of man, especially the mainstream ones. What if all are wrong? None are 100% pure, correct and good. How about we look and see what the Bible says, about knowing "them". Also I would say that the word "Christian" today means little or nothing, just like "Spiritual" or "Religious". I understand what is being said and I read peoples "isms". I would say that I could disagree with most. If the Bible is the truth and the word made flesh exists and the truth is....defined in the BIBLE. Then to quote Ricky Ricardo....Lucy you got some splaining to do....I bring him up as most would rather seek his 411 on GOD/JESUS etc or someone the likes of him as opposed to just asking JESUS or seeking the knowledge in the BIBLE. My proof is above in the post and references listed. You want to know Jesus you spend time with Jesus, not asking others or getting second hand 411. I think that the fact that
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is the way JESUS planned it. One thought could be derived from 1 CR 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
I hear people speak of the whole counsel of GOD, yet they disbelieve the words in the BIBLE or seek out contradictions they assume exist, assume is the right word to use, by its perfect meaning, and what it does. IF you believe do you believe from Alpha to Omega from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21? If anything is contrary to you? It is cause you have the mind of Christ or because you don't? Is God/Jesus smarter or dumber than you? Are you God or is God, GOD?
Just asking cause we are men, men are dumb, the Bible says that. God, Trinity(a word not in my Bible BTW, but that does not mean anything) or not, sent his son, word made flesh GOD or 1/3 of God or not, came and died for ALL mans sins, ALL of them, even the sins of pride and blasphemy and arrogance and intelligence or lack there of.
You have heard that the fool in his heart said there is no GOD. If you deny GOD, forms of GOD, his ability to be 3 people or not. Are we fools? What % of our beliefs make us fools? ARE you/we only % wise fools? The funny thing is we have conversations about not "a", but THE GOD that created ALL...Again I say ALL. Same Guy that said John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Then John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So IF you believe and IF you have a relationship and HE/JESUS told you these things and Jesus is not a liar and cannot lie then.....
Well then we ALL make excuses and deny him by having a gazillion different Religions/Beliefs/False Doctrine Groups of Satan, to justify our understandings or lack of understanding.... How about taking the approach that everything in the BIBLE is true and directly from and of GOD/JESUS what would you have to loose? NOTHING! Maybe we need to seek unity and not confusion and make excuses or find and/or create reasons to belittle or deny the POWER OF GOD! Just a thought. I don't have to convince any one of anything, nor can I. Jesus died and rose again for that very reason. Accept him(JESUS) he is the truth!
I have heard it said "The leading cause of Atheism today is/are CHRISTIANS, that confess JESUS with their lips, but deny JESUS with their life style" Beliefs, isms etc are part of your life style.

PS I love you all. And after not posting for over a year, I am back. GOD/JESUS bless you!
For the record this is not a slam on SwampDoc, I just happend to use his post...so don't make me say back-off, as this is a CrossWire post. Leave the man alone, he is my brother too.
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I originally declined to comment on the firstl post. Seeing the comments from several sides of this discussion has changed my mind. I am Jewish. I found the original posting to be slightly offensive, but I realized that I was not the audience it was intended for and that the posting was not intended ith malice. There are a number of you who apparently are devoted Christians whose faith is important to them and at least some people who share a strict monotheistic belief with me, whether they are Jewish or not. I would encourage all of you to follow your faith happily and wholeheartedly while I will do the same with regards to my faith. I also pledge not to criticize your faith and beliefs and would only ask you to return the favor.

We may never see eye to eye about religious belief but I am firmly convinced that there are many areas where we can agree to cooperate for the good of our nation and for all mankind. And the other areas? Well, perhaps we should agree to quietly disagree.
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There are some in this thread who claim Christ and yet do not adhere to anything close to what is accepted "orthodox" belief. You instead claim some, supposedly inspired, personal interpretation.

I hope for your sakes that you are right.
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There are some in this thread who claim Christ and yet do not adhere to anything close to what is accepted "orthodox" belief. You instead claim some, supposedly inspired, personal interpretation.

I hope for your sakes that you are right.
I just made an observation based on comments made and What I read and not what the pastors, sagacious, or pharisaic people told me? I try to do what the word says and not what the world says. Jesus is the Word to me, not the world to me! He is everything he says he is.. I am that I am. Kindah like Popeye but WAY different?
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I thoroughly enjoy such lite humor because I studied the History of Christianity for six long years. My heritage is Native American and Hebrew, so I get to see "it" from lots of perspectives. I wanted to argue with the Mormons, but they are a perfect mirror image of ancient Hebrew; As we both recognize that there are probably millions of honest to goodness gods in heaven, but there is only the Top Three whom we worship. I am also a Christian, although I wasn't reared to become one. Hopefully someday we can all look back and laugh about all of these supposed crazy differences in serving God! Bring on the humor. I have a whole box full of Jewish jokes: Did you know that Sarah smoked?
I have been pestered for over twenty years to write my own Conversion Story of being converted to Jesus Christ, so I am now compiling it. I hope that nobody hunts me down to shoot me for the ideas that I express throughout the book though.
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