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Old 01-05-2005, 08:52 AM
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Has anybody had any experience with pulling the fmj bullets from Wolf or milsurp steel cased ammo and replacing with soft point bullets over same powder charge for hunting? Thanks.
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I have not pulled FMJ bullets and replaced them with hunting bullets. Theoretically, it could be done as long as the bullet weights are the same. We usually do not know what powder is used in Wolf or military surplus ammo and that could be a concern if the replacement bullet is of a different weight. It might be better to just reload for the 7.62x54MM. All the best...
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Old 01-05-2005, 07:00 PM
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"Mexican Match" is one term for this (do a search on that term, you should find other posts).

Stay with the same weight bullets, or lighter.
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Lately I've seen a ton of the old Soviet bloc, bolt action 7.62X54 caliber rifles for sale lately. Reminds me of when Woolco (when it still was around) had Mauser 8mm's for sale at around $48 a piece. Is it time to get one for cheap before they run out?
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Why pull & replace and be taking chances with safety when you can buy cheap soft point ammo for $4/box of 20 or good stuff for $10/box of 20. For the prices of this stuff it makes no sense to take chances swapping bullets, besides most of the military loads are designed to have a pre-determined back pressure caused by the hard crimp. If you change bullets you are changing the way the round is going to work and may open yourself to very serious problems. If the crimp pressure is reduced, when the primer fires it can cause the bullet to leave the neck prematurely. This jump increases powder space and may seat the bullet against the rifling before it is up to speed. If this happens, you can blow the rife up because the pressures can get way out of hand. Don't know about you but putting a bolt through my head ain't what I consider a fun day at the range!

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Sage advice. Being a lefty I never got to take advantage of all the surplus military bolt actions, but now there are several semi-auto choices that utilize ex/current military rounds. I don't mean to hijack this thread, so I'll pose this question on it's own if need be, but how does the 7.62X54r compare to the .223, 7.62X39, .308NATO and 7.62X(51?) ? I've also read that the steel cased ammo is non-reloadable, so would it even be possible to pull the bullet and replace it if using the surplus ammo of this type?
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Why pull & replace and be taking chances with safety when you can buy cheap soft point ammo for $4/box of 20 or good stuff for $10/box of 20. For the prices of this stuff it makes no sense to take chances swapping bullets, besides most of the military loads are designed to have a pre-determined back pressure caused by the hard crimp. If you change bullets you are changing the way the round is going to work and may open yourself to very serious problems. If the crimp pressure is reduced, when the primer fires it can cause the bullet to leave the neck prematurely. This jump increases powder space and may seat the bullet against the rifling before it is up to speed. If this happens, you can blow the rife up because the pressures can get way out of hand. Don't know about you but putting a bolt through my head ain't what I consider a fun day at the range!
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:19 AM
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The 7.62x54R falls right in the middle of the .308 and .30-06 Surplus ammo ballastics vary greatly yet all the I have tried is very accurate considering its age and being plain old mass produced ball ammo. My 91/30's tend to like the 174gr FMJ's better than the 147gr but this relates to a groups size difference of 1.5" @ 300 per 20 rounds. Longest range I've fired these at has been about 600 yds (+/- 50) and I was quite pleased with the results allowing for error on my end. I'm sure an optical sighting aid would be a major improvement...still working on that part.

By far the best current production factory ammo I tried is the S&B 180 grain soft points. They are loaded hot and print excellent at least to the 200yds I tried them at. I rate these right there with the .30-06. I'd have no fear poking holes in anything on the North American continent with this round.
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I don't know why you couldn't pull steel-cased ammo, same as brass-cased. The crimp may make it more difficult. Also, military ammo often has a seal of some sort, often just a lacquer coating on the bullet. Bump the bullet slightly deeper with a seating die to break the seal, then pull.

If soft points are cheap, probably wouldn't bother.

7.62x54 should be fine for hunting, as stated.
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Lately I've seen a ton of the old Soviet bloc, bolt action 7.62X54 caliber rifles for sale lately. Reminds me of when Woolco (when it still was around) had Mauser 8mm's for sale at around $48 a piece. Is it time to get one for cheap before they run out?
By all means, if you want one, get one NOW. You can get an arsenal refinished one that looks really good for well under $100. Who knows when they will run out, but when thy do, they will go up. They will shoot great and are fun to reload. Chamber is very much like a 308 with a long neck, a little more taper in the body, and a big rim. I just got three from Century for $150 ($49 each), and am having a hard time deciding which one to keep myself. They look GREAT (for shooters - a collector would generally not want an arsenal refinished gun.) I will sell them at gun shows for $85-$90.

My only two complaints about them as hunting rifles are that they are not easy to scope, and the safety is a very slow to operate. Nothing wrong with the ballistics, especially if you reload.

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I think you're right. Even though I'm a lefty, I learned how to shoot with a right handed bolt gun and developed a "hand-switch" technique for operating wrong handed guns! If they are difficult to scope, are there better open sights than what they have on them available?
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By all means, if you want one, get one NOW. You can get an arsenal refinished one that looks really good for well under $100. Who knows when they will run out, but when thy do, they will go up. They will shoot great and are fun to reload. Chamber is very much like a 308 with a long neck, a little more taper in the body, and a big rim. I just got three from Century for $150 ($49 each), and am having a hard time deciding which one to keep myself. They look GREAT (for shooters - a collector would generally not want an arsenal refinished gun.) I will sell them at gun shows for $85-$90.

My only two complaints about them as hunting rifles are that they are not easy to scope, and the safety is a very slow to operate. Nothing wrong with the ballistics, especially if you reload.
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I love the sights on my 91/30 and would not trade them for anything, one of the few OEM sight combo's that really works for me. You can get OEM scopes and mounts, receiver must be drilled and tapped and you can no longer use stripper clips. Other option is using a long eye releif scope and using the mount that attaches where the rear sight does, this does not require major work but I don't know how well they work or hold zero.
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The millet mount works wonders, and would be my recomendation for scoping these rifles.
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I like the Mosin nagant also.

Being lefty, as STF stated above, is a drawback, but the guns are still fun.

I can operate my M38 fairly quickly. even being lefty.
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I've never popped out one slug to replace with another, I load my own with hunting projectiles.
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Good job of resurrecting this old thread. I love my old Mosin. I need to take it to the range next session.
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I've got two MN (sporterized 1904 dated Tula into a scout rifle and a Polish M44). Never pulled a bullet and reloaded them as I have dies and boxer primed cases. Just remember to match the bullet diameter with the bore.


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Why pull & replace and be taking chances with safety when you can buy cheap soft point ammo for $4/box of 20 or good stuff for $10/box of 20. For the prices of this stuff it makes no sense to take chances swapping bullets, besides most of the military loads are designed to have a pre-determined back pressure caused by the hard crimp. If you change bullets you are changing the way the round is going to work and may open yourself to very serious problems. If the crimp pressure is reduced, when the primer fires it can cause the bullet to leave the neck prematurely. This jump increases powder space and may seat the bullet against the rifling before it is up to speed. If this happens, you can blow the rife up because the pressures can get way out of hand. Don't know about you but putting a bolt through my head ain't what I consider a fun day at the range!
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