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Old 03-20-2005, 03:04 PM
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9.3X57 in model 96 swedish mauser?


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i was kind of half-heartedly wondering if the 9.3X57 is an acceptable round to rebarrel an old swedish mauser to. the 9.3X57 is kind of obsolete, but brass is still available.

are the pressures compatable? how about OAL? (i don't have the 9.3 listed in any of my manuals)

it might make a dandy little brush gun.

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Old 03-20-2005, 03:49 PM
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A quick look at ctg.s of the World says that if ya don't go wild reloading it is probably about like a 8x57 pressurewise... but based on the recoil of a 1916 7.62 I would say get a good recoil pad ... I don't like it abit... Marty
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SARCO has some complete rifles for sale. See Shotgun News. Seems like a nice project.
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Old 03-21-2005, 08:37 AM
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Monty: The Swede's have some good metal in them, and I would trust them better than some of the 93's I've seen in 9.3X57. The 9.3 cartridge is in the same pressure range as the 8MM Mauser, that is loaded in the Turkish model 93's. The 9.3 will push a 286 grain r/n at 2070FPS, which is up there with the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain at 2200FPS. That's not bad for a cartridge operating at a lower preassure range.

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Monty: Here is a starting load for you, as published in handbook of cartridge conversions. 43Gr of 3031 behind a 286 grain round nose, for 2070 FPS. loaded length is 3.23". Another alternative is the 9X57. with a 250 grain bullet they list 2260 FPS. with an overall length of 3.10" equal velocity as the .358 Winchester with less chamber pressure.

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Old 03-21-2005, 07:57 PM
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I wouldn't push it to the wall. Swedes are strong, but lack some of the gas-handling features of the '98s. All's well till a case head blows....
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:14 PM
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I have seen this round loaded in sporterized versions of the 1888 mauser actions 18 inch barrels with double set triggers and full stocks ! Load to normal pressures and you will have a light weight rifle !JAGG
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my idea here is to use the excellent little swedish mauser action to make a short and handy rifle in the heaviest hitting caliber that can be stuffed into it. i have no interest in pushing pressure limits, i'll just find a moderate load and be happy. (a good hard cast bullet load would be perfect).
Midway lists Krieger barrels in 9.3, but neither Brownells or Midway list 9.3X57 reamers. the internet should turn up the reamer and gauges tho...
the only problem is the only spare '96 action i have needs a botched scope mount D&T job repaired (Bubba). i'll probably solder/peen some unhardened screws in the holes and find a good ghost ring/bead combo to install. i'll have to see how the repair comes out before i start spending money. maybe i can find a good Husky or Oberndorf action for cheep. i don't want to spend too much here because the dollar value of the finished rifle will be zilch, no matter how nice it turns out.
i have a beat-up and altered '94 carbine (Oberndorf 1895), but it is too good of a shooter to part out, and has been with me for thirty years.

keep the thoughts coming and i'll keep you all posted.

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Don't think I'd count on finding a "good" Husky or Oberndorf CHEEP - even a good CG for that matter!

Nothing wrong with your thought process - the bubbized Swede action should be a good candidate for the project. Find some blank gun screws and loc-tite them into place. Leave them slightly high and file down to meet the existing profile. Spot blue and should be done.

With your caveat of senseable loads, the 9.3x57 should make up into a great moderate range big game smasher. Wonder if you'll have to do any feed ramp modification? Doubt you'll have to mess with the rails any - have a 6.5x257 Robt's AI that feeds great without touching the rails.
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Samco has Oberndorf M38 barreled actions for $189. rated "good". about as good as it gets. i'll see how the bubbized one cleans up. besides the botched D&T job, the bolt handle mod looks awful, the trigger job is junk (maybe dangerous). the perfect candidate if it cleans up good.

i suppose the feed ramp mod is gonna depend on my choice of bullets. if the rifle likes a good cast bullet or blunt RN bullet, there's a good chance i'll have to do a little work there.

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Old 03-23-2005, 08:37 AM
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8mm is more common than 9mm this is would be a nice gun to see in persom
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Here is the easy answer about the 9.3x57mm and the Swedish Mauser, Husqvarna did that conversion for over 20 years. You can find these Husqvarna rifles in used condition on the web and at gun shows.
Don't seel the Swede M96 short on strength either. I have read that the Swedes chambered some 96s in an 8x66 or 68 size at the beginning of WWII. That would be a rompiing stomping 8mm cartridge.

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i have another question here. are the Carl Gustafs equal in strength to the Huskys and Obies? why are the Huskies and Obies priced higher? is it just that the Carl Gustafs are more common?
the barrel blanks are pricey enough that i wanna make sure i use an action worthy of the investment. (unless i can find a used take-off barrel for cheep).

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Can't help but think that if I was gonna start from "scratch" ie. barrel blank ... I would simply use a 357 bbl ream it w/ 9 or 9.3 X57 reamer and load w/ inexpensive 357/8 bullets as well.... admittedly I may be missing something and may need to be "redirected" ... Marty
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i have thought .375X57. 9.3 is .366" or so, and the 9.3 reamer throat would be very oversize in a .358 bbl. (and i have a couple .350s and want something different). got more research to do, but if i can get my paws on a good bullet mold i'll probably go with 9.3 and do it right.

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The "Obies" are more expensive because they were the first and made in very limited quantities, 12,000 or so IIRC.

That is 12k rifles out of MILLIONS of CG's
and hundreds of thousands of Huskies

The M38 Huskies are usually more expensive because they already have turned down bolts and are almost always in better condition....

The lowest priced swedes are usually the M96/38's.

While I think the M38's are stronger you'll probably never discover the actual difference unless you actually TRY to blow them up.

Following normal handloading caution you'll probably get nowhere close to any danger line with any of the actions.

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i have another question here. are the Carl Gustafs equal in strength to the Huskys and Obies? why are the Huskies and Obies priced higher? is it just that the Carl Gustafs are more common?
the barrel blanks are pricey enough that i wanna make sure i use an action worthy of the investment. (unless i can find a used take-off barrel for cheep).

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Don't seel the Swede M96 short on strength either. I have read that the Swedes chambered some 96s in an 8x66 or 68 size at the beginning of WWII. That would be a rompiing stomping 8mm cartridge.

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Do you perhaps mean 8x63 Swede?
It's about the same as 8mm-06 and the Swedish government bought 5000 K98 Mausers in 1940 to re-chamber to 8x63 for their machinegun troops.
Now they're super rare.
You can read more about that rifle & cartridge at:
http://www.8x63swedish.pridham.ca/history.html
As far as the 9.3x57 check out ReloadersNest.com from this link:
http://reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=227
The loads are all using Norma powder but they should give you some idea of the cartridge's ability and by powder comparisons you should at least be able to start work out a starting load.
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i really like the 9.3X57 great round , Equal to the 358winny, handles heavier bullets and operates under less pressure,unlimited brass.I recently picked up a 9.3X62, And maybe selling the 9.3X57 ,its a Swede,not decided yet . Heres a Pic. 9.3X57 is on top.

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i was kind of half-heartedly wondering if the 9.3X57 is an acceptable round to rebarrel an old swedish mauser to. the 9.3X57 is kind of obsolete, but brass is still available.

are the pressures compatable? how about OAL? (i don't have the 9.3 listed in any of my manuals)

it might make a dandy little brush gun.

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Monty,

it's a good idea of building such a brush gun and it would be a quite suitable conversion. However, Husqvarna made a lot of such rifles, and I think that you could find a HVA 46 (m96) or 146 (M98) in good shape without bigger difficulties. As hunters must not have more than six long guns here in Sweden, a lot of our older rifles are sold abroad, many of which go to the U.S. You just have find the right dealer.

These Huskies are nice, well balanced rifles with fine accuracy, and quite perfect for moose, hogs and bear. They combine moderate recoil with a highly efficient heavy bullet. I have had one, and - being only an average rifleman - I could standing put five shots into a 4 inch circle at 100 yards. isold it, but I have regretted that many times and will still do.
BTW, Norma ammo factory still loads ammo with a 286 grains RN to about 2100 fps.

Something to read: www.pettsons.net/hvastory.html , www.norma.cc

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Old 05-26-2005, 06:59 PM
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Shatterhand, Nice looking Husky!

For those looking to convert an earlier Swede, Sunnyhill makes a replacement shroud that has the M98 style gas flange. It does not have provision for using the stock safety so an accessory trigger with built in safety is necessary if you use the Sunnhill shroud. Also the bottom of the bolt body on a 94-96 or 38 does not have the gas ports milled into it as does a 98 bolt, but some folks drill or mill a couple in the pre-98 bolt and install the replacement shroud which, in effect, gives one the gas handling features of a 98 action. The only thing that the 98 has over this conversion is the third locking lug at the back of the bolt. FWIW, I have one of the SH shrouds for my 94. It makes me feel better about my handloads
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