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Old 07-20-2005, 01:33 PM
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Someone gave me an 1891 Mauser in 7.65 Argentine. The action is in good condition, but the stock has been butchered and the barrel cut to 20 inches. Is this a strong action?---worthy of rebuilding into something else? Would like to do something with it. LeverFan
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Don't build into anything that exceeds 45,000 PSI, This is the predecessor for the 1892 and 1893-1894-1895-1896 actions. The original cartridge is a good deer rifle cartridge, in the same class as the .300 Savage. I would just get a nice stock and re stock with a commercial stock. See how it shoots before rebarreling. Most 1891 actions are very smooth. The biggest change between it and the later models was the staggered magazine, and the long claw extractor. They make a dandy knock about/truck gun, or back up in case someones gun in the party breaks.

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Someone gave me an 1891 Mauser in 7.65 Argentine. The action is in good condition, but the stock has been butchered and the barrel cut to 20 inches. Is this a strong action?---worthy of rebuilding into something else? Would like to do something with it. LeverFan

The 1891 Argentine is not as strong as a 1909 Argentine (which is a true '98 action). What you have is a shooter. It can be rebarreled and within its limitation is a fine action. It depends on what other calibers you have in mind. All the best...
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Someone gave me an 1891 Mauser in 7.65 Argentine. The action is in good condition, but the stock has been butchered and the barrel cut to 20 inches. Is this a strong action?---worthy of rebuilding into something else? Would like to do something with it. LeverFan
How about the 358 winchester? Dimensions look like it is a fit. What is the pressure on a normal load with a 200 grain bullet?
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:21 PM
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How about the 358 winchester? Dimensions look like it is a fit. What is the pressure on a normal load with a 200 grain bullet?
Leave it alone...the roiginal round is a good perfomer. But you can get in troubole relaoding for it...the data for the stronger versions isn't well differentiated from the weaker (like your 1891) actions.

Could rebarrel it to another round, but as the action shouldn't be pushed hard, won't be stepping up in power from what you already have.

As for the .358, that runs a bit higher than the 1891 was made for...and I doublt the last 80 to 100 years has improved it's strength. (BUt certainly would have to think about having it turned into a .35Rem).
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Someone gave me an 1891 Mauser in 7.65 Argentine. The action is in good condition, but the stock has been butchered and the barrel cut to 20 inches. Is this a strong action?---worthy of rebuilding into something else? Would like to do something with it. LeverFan
lEVERfAN,
The Argo cartridge is ideal for Whitetails up to 250 yards.
If you want an easier cartridge to reload,go to the 30/40 Krag. You will have a great choice of bullets and probably the easiest cartridge to reload.
The Krag case has a rim;that may present a problem.If so,rebarrelto the 300 Savage.The Savage has a short neck;it is not as easy to load for.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:50 AM
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lEVERfAN,
The Argo cartridge is ideal for Whitetails up to 250 yards.
If you want an easier cartridge to reload,go to the 30/40 Krag. You will have a great choice of bullets and probably the easiest cartridge to reload.
The Krag case has a rim;that may present a problem.If so,rebarrelto the 300 Savage.The Savage has a short neck;it is not as easy to load for.
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Sounds like I need to clean it up, shoot it to get an idea of accuracy, and get a cheap stock if it is ok in the accuracy dept. It is drilled and tapped for scope already and I have a couple of scopes on the shelf.

I talked to a guy who has an 1891 that was in like new condition when he got it close to 40 years ago. He scoped it and with mild 150 grain handloads, he says it consistently puts 3 shots under an inch at 100 yards. This is with the original 29 inch barrel. He has killed numerous whitetails and a couple of mule deer in Colorado with it. He hesitates to cut off the barrel to a more moderate length in fear of loosing some accuracy.

I will post results after I shoot it. LeverFan
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I have worked over a couple of 91 Argentines and like them well enough. After market upgrades are few and far between. Fagen at one time offered a nice sporter stock for them but I haven't seen one in a while. No one makes a trigger upgrade that I know of.

If you want to rebarrel to a factory cartridge that is easyier to find stay low preasure. Look at a .300 Savage, .250 Savage. .35 rem.

I did one in .243 Winchester for a old friend who is well versed in rifle and ammo. We used a bolt face modification that recessed the face into the breach. Remington does this and the Jap. Arisaka is also. This totaly encloses the breach and cartridge head with steal.

A lathe and gunsmith are best for this modification. I would not recomend it for anyone without prior knowledge of the actions limitations.

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After restocking, just buy a set of loading dies. The original round is just fine. In 40-45,000psi loads, it beats a .300 Savage. When did that become a bad thing?
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I got one that has the stock cut down and the barrel left to 29+ inches ! It is light in weight so i left it alone ! The 7.65 case is larger then the 308 case, but works at lower pressures ! In the 1891 action the rifle is free bored for the longer 220 bullet that it was originally chambered for ! That is why it can take the higher pressure 150gr Military and factory loads as the pressures drop during the bullet free bore jump ! Leave the old stock on it as the new stocks are heavier ! My opinion ! JAGG
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Headspace was found to be ok and the gun cycles rounds and shoots without problems I even found someone in my neighborhood that reloads 7.65 Argentine.
I am working on getting a stock for it and will mount a 4X scope. It is drilled and tapped for scope already.
I appreciate all the replys and info on this mauser and its possible applications. It will probably be a "back-up" in that I already have a 98 mauser and a model 70 winchester, both in '06. Am thinking of converting the 98 to 35 Whelan.
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Old 03-31-2006, 05:33 PM
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7.65 Argentine Mauser

Acquired a 1891 7.65 Argentine Mauser in good condition. Everything seems to be solid and I've fired 20 or so rounds through it. Found some decent reloads w/ 174 gr bullet from Prvi Partizan that shoot pretty good. Stock has been sporterized and cut down so it's not in original form but anyway my question is this. Will any other caliber shoot in this gun w/o any modifications? and, is there anywhere I can find a front sight for this gun? Any other info about this gun is appreciated also. Thanks for replies.
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Try www.e-gunparts.com for the sight.

There's plenty of 7.65x54 ammo by the various catalog sales outfits. DO NOT attempt to fire any other cartridge in this rifle.
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Acquired a 1891 7.65 Argentine Mauser in good condition. Everything seems to be solid and I've fired 20 or so rounds through it. Found some decent reloads w/ 174 gr bullet from Prvi Partizan that shoot pretty good. Stock has been sporterized and cut down so it's not in original form but anyway my question is this. Will any other caliber shoot in this gun w/o any modifications? and, is there anywhere I can find a front sight for this gun? Any other info about this gun is appreciated also. Thanks for replies.
Sorry for the delay;I'm slow in doing a lot of things.
The best chance for gun parts,that I know is :
www.gunpartscorp.com. It is Numerich Arms,in Hurley,New York.
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Boyds is doing a stock for this rifle now. Huber Concepts is building a match grade tirgger upgrade for these 91 Argentines.
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i just bought a muaser 1891. its the short carbine version, but w/ open sights still shoots really well. im about to have it drilled and tapped for a scope. i do want the longer barrel. i've got a good bishop stock for it. just wanting the longer barrel. help me out if you know where i could buy one.
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Welcome to the forum.

Try www.e-gunparts.com

Good luck. If it's original, just FYI, it may be worth a fair amount and perhaps enough to trade for a modern rifle (if that's what you want), or a longer barreled version that would suit you better.
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