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Old 12-29-2005, 06:04 PM
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Question WaffenFabrik, Steyr, Austria, Model 1912-61 NATO


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Can anyone provide some background information on this rifle?

On the receiver tang is stamped: CaL ST ALB VI, M12 - 308. On the left of the breech is a stamped symbol that looks like an inverted scientific female symbol. A circle with a touching cross on top at the 12:00 o'clock position. Outwardly it appears as an unaltered military piece.

Externally, this rifle has definitely seen better days. Although it really shows its age with stock and metal surface wear. The lands seem in good condition and the crown is not worn or dinged-up. It was a gift and I was told that it was a Swiss mauser.

Is this rifle a $400 treasure a $125 shooter or a $39.25 POS? Fixit up? Leave as is and shoot it? Use it for a tomatoe stake?


Samchap Waldoboro, ME
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:24 PM
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Can anyone provide some background information on this rifle?

On the receiver tang is stamped: CaL ST ALB VI, M12 - 308. On the left of the breech is a stamped symbol that looks like an inverted scientific female symbol. A circle with a touching cross on top at the 12:00 o'clock position. Outwardly it appears as an unaltered military piece.

Externally, this rifle has definitely seen better days. Although it really shows its age with stock and metal surface wear. The lands seem in good condition and the crown is not worn or dinged-up. It was a gift and I was told that it was a Swiss mauser.

Is this rifle a $400 treasure a $125 shooter or a $39.25 POS? Fixit up? Leave as is and shoot it? Use it for a tomatoe stake?


Samchap Waldoboro, ME
Can you post some pictures?

Lee L.
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:47 PM
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Your rifle is not Swiss

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Can anyone provide some background information on this rifle?

On the receiver tang is stamped: CaL ST ALB VI, M12 - 308. On the left of the breech is a stamped symbol that looks like an inverted scientific female symbol. A circle with a touching cross on top at the 12:00 o'clock position. Outwardly it appears as an unaltered military piece.

Externally, this rifle has definitely seen better days. Although it really shows its age with stock and metal surface wear. The lands seem in good condition and the crown is not worn or dinged-up. It was a gift and I was told that it was a Swiss Mauser.

Is this rifle a $400 treasure a $125 shooter or a $39.25 POS? Fixit up? Leave as is and shoot it? Use it for a tomatoe stake?


Samchap Waldoboro, ME

The rifle was imported by Century Arms Corporation of St. Albans, VT before they moved to Florida. Century Arms has a website at www.centuryarms.com. They may be able to give you more specific information.

As a side note, Switzerland never adopted the Mauser rifle but used the Schmidt-Rubin straight bolts. All the best...
Gil
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:00 PM
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M1894, No picture available. I just thank God that I can get this far.

Gil, I'll follow the link.

Guys....thanks for your time and responses.

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Old 12-30-2005, 07:31 PM
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If it is a Steyr 1912-61, then it most likely is/was a Chilean Mauser that was converted to 7.62 NATO. 1903 Springfield 30-06 barrels were used. The threaded shank was cut off, and they were rethread to Mauser threads, and rechambered to 308/7.62.
The receiver ring should say MODELO 1912-61 and stamped under that will be NATO. The circle with the "+" in it, is the NATO proofing or acceptance stamp.
I did read the other day that short rifle versions of the 1912 will converted with 2 groove 1903 barrels, and the long rifle version was converted using 4 groove barrels.

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Old 12-30-2005, 09:14 PM
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I bought one on GUnbroker for $120 just for the action. It cleaned up good and is a real shooter so I kept it as 308.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:20 AM
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I bought 4 barreled receivers from Centerfire. 3 had 2 groove barrels and 1 had a 4 groove. I rebuilt the 4 groove to proper 1912 specs including the stock. One 2 groove I rebuilt using a straight bolt, for my "Lefty' son. He finds it much easier to work a staight bolt when reaching up and over. 3 of the recieivers came with a spacer in the magazine to handle the shorter 308 cartridge. The 4th didn't come with a triggergaurd.
The charger clip slot were all modified so that American style 7.62 stripper clips could be used.

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Old 04-26-2015, 12:36 PM
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I have the same model, and my question is I want to built this for my daughter in a 260 Remington will the action hold the pressure from a 6 groove barrel. Will that was mostly what I was using when I built rifles for Boatright Customs guns in Gassivlle Ar. I have been out of the game for a while rebuilding my own shop and I have not kept up barrel grooves. I know which twist rates, my preferred barrel makers I would like to go back to if the quality is there.

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Old 05-07-2015, 11:03 AM
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I don't know if you realize, you just bumped a ten year old thread ! That said, I believe the 308(parent case) and 260 Rem run in the same pressure category 48,000-54,000 CUP (copper units of pressure), not to be confused with PSI which in most cases = a higher number 55,000-62,000 PSI for those same cartridges. I'm no mathematician, just what I've read. As far as a 6 groove barrel, I'm not sure there is a significant jump in pressure? You seem to have more experience than I in that category.
I'm reasonably sure that the firearm in question? 1912/61 Steyr M98 would be fine for that conversion, as long as it is in good shape, I have several M98's that I handload for in 7x57, 7.65x53, and 8x57; my loads run in the 55,000 CUP range (according to my load manuals) and they digest those loads with no indications of excessive pressure, ie; sticky bolt, stretched brass, popped primers etc... I do load for accuracy, and have not had to exceed those parameters to attain it. Good Luck !

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