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Old 02-20-2006, 01:27 PM
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Scopes mount for an M14/M1A1


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Folks,

I’m looking to mount a Leupold Mark 4 M3 scope on my Springfield Armory M1A1 and was planning on using Springfield Armory’s M1A1 third generation scope mount for this purpose. My question… is this the best scope mount to go with for this application or is there something better out there? Thanks.

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Old 02-20-2006, 01:40 PM
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I am not familiar w/ the mount, but if is made to match the rifle, by the same manufacturer, seems like a simple decision. JP
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Old 02-20-2006, 01:54 PM
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Here is a link for some at Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe...=657***8705***
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Old 02-20-2006, 03:41 PM
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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...tureM1A002.jpg
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This is an older model Super Match. The scope mount is B-Square. I don't know if you can tell from the pictures but it adjusts front and rear with set screws. It works ok but it will shoot loose. I didn't want to put any thread locker on the screws because I use them to make major elavation changes. If I was going to buy another, I think I would give the Springfield model a try.

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Old 02-21-2006, 04:28 AM
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Michael,

I have the Springfield mount on my M1A1. That's the best way to go!

You have a really nice rifle. There isn't that much difference in price between the various mounts anyway. Don't try to save a couple of bucks on the mount. Get the Springfield.
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:38 PM
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I have the Springfield mount on my M1A1. That's the best way to go!

How does the Springfield model attach? I looked at it on their website. I noticed it has two screws on the side. Is there a second tapped hole on the newer receivers? It made me wonder if it allows for a return to zero. Obviously mine lacks that feature, have to re-zero anytime I put it on.
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:09 PM
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I have the Third Generation Mount on my M1A. It's rock solid, and I've had no problems with either mine shooting loose, or not returning to zero. They're not really that hard to mount, but you will need a flat jawed bench vise with pads, a rubber or leather mallet, some punches, and a few other tools.

Basically, you take the barreled receiver out of the stock, and put the receiver in the vise. Drive the pin out of the stripper clip guide, and then drive the original stripper clip guide out of the receiver. The base for the Third Generation Mount is actually a replacement stripper clip guide. It may take some very minor fitting, or it may slide into place with the assistance of the mallet. Either way, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Once it's seated, pin it in place.

After this, remove the thumb screws from the mount. Place the mount in position on the receiver, and alternately thighten it in place with the two thumb screws. At this point, if everything's lined up, put the mallet on the side of the mount, and whack it a few times with a hammer to make sure it's fully seated. Now you retightened the thumb screws with a big screw driver a few times, and then tighten the locknuts with a wrench. The mount should now be fully seated and fitted the your receiver.


Once the mount is on the rifle, just put the rifle back together, and attach your rings and scope. It's really a lot easier than it sounds.

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Old 02-22-2006, 06:47 PM
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Thank you Gunslinger, excellent instructions. It sounds like the Springfield is a superior mounting system. I'll be up in the Shelby, Mannsfield area in the Summer, maybe we can work out a trade....I'll throw in a bottle of loc-tite.
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Old 02-23-2006, 02:37 PM
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... I'll be up in the Shelby, Mannsfield area in the Summer...
That must mean you're going to the Sortsman's Den in Shelby. Probably more than half of my guns have come from there. While you're at it, you'll have to stop by Fin, Feather & Fur Outfitters in Ashland too. Also, the local rumor mill is running rampant with rumors that Cabela's is negotiating for tax abatements with both the cities of Mansfield and Ontario for the old Crane Plumbing/Artesian factory site just east of Westfield Mall and the U.S. 30 interchange. So far, the city councils aren't confirming or denying anything, and there's nothing on Cabela's web site. It's hard to imagine a Cabela's going in around here, but stranger things have happened. Whatever's going on at that location, it's going to be something BIG!

This isn't the reason, however, for this follow up post. I just thought I'd add a couple of other thoughts. If you haven't bought a rifle yet, keep in mind that Springfield usually includes certificates or coupons with most new guns, so you can buy Springfield accessories like mounts, scopes, slings, etc. at real discounts from their catalog prices. This could help offset the somewhat higher prices of the Springfield products.

As far as installing the Springfield scope mount, a good, solid vise would be a nice thing to have. The typical cleaning/mounting rest that you might use for mounting a base on your hunting rifle wouldn't be adequate. The Springfield mounts are precisely machined and nicely finished, but what we're talking about here is a little more like blacksmithing rather than jewelery or watch repair. It's not difficult though.
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I too use the Springfield mount [3rd gen] and it by far a solid reliable mount. You may need a cheekpiece to get a good cheekweld depending on your build.
Once Fitted to the gun, this mount ALWAYS allows me to return to my ZERO.
I have a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x that uses the mil-dot reticule, and it always hits the same spot as before I remove the mount to clean the gun.

Worth the $$$ in my eyes.
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Old 03-03-2006, 12:36 PM
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Hello,
M141a made a good point and that being that the problem with mounting optics on the M1A/M14 is that the head/eye/stock relation, weld point, is really way up in the air and not a good arrangement at all. The cheekpiece/cheeck pad, etc. is really the best way to go in order to do any decent shooting with the arrangement. I owned and shot several of the M1A's,M14's over the years and out to 600 yards or even more, the issue peep sight/front winged post does very well indeed. Most M1A's I have seen shoot very well and not just the match grade ones either. Match prepared guns do shoot better of course, but you will like the performance whichever way you end up. Good Luck
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