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Old 01-02-2013, 05:49 AM
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Looking at a M44 Mosin Negant. Does any one here have any experience you could share? What would be a fair market value for one in 98-99% factory new condition with all matching numbers? I have seen pictures and they look like the gun is in remarkable shape and the man that is selling it seems honest and above board. I know that it is not a good time to be shopping for a rifle, but I need to replace my old worn out rifle before the coyotes, bob cats, and feral dogs carry off all my chickens. Thanks.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:41 AM
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Be assured, that is not a new rifle. It is an old rifle that is most likely an assortment of parts from other old rifles, rebuilt and refinished in a Soviet arsenal. The bore may be pristine, or it may show some considerable wear, but it will be serviceable by Soviet standards.

MNs are obsolete, inefficient, and clumsy to handle and shoot -- but don't let that put you off owning one. They are supremely rugged, simple and reliable, and their accuracy with the right ammo can be astounding, assuming you can deal with the heavy trigger and old-style open military sights. They can give you a very high fun-to-cost ratio, and once you have one you will know you now have at least one rifle that will ALWAYS work.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:02 AM
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tjcnok,

Welcome to the Forum; I see this is your third post.

I have several M44 Mosins and they are nice, handy guns. There are Russian arms, Chinese arms and some Former Soviet Bloc M44s. I found the Russians to shoot the best. All my M44s have nice bores and shoot my cast Lyman #311467 (175 grain) bullet very well. The prices run $200-$400 depending on condition.

If you buy a M44, take it to a shooting bench and test fire Military Ball, handloads and factory hunting ammo with the bayonet folded and extended: all my M44s shift laterally a few inches with the bayonet extended. I suspect the barrel harmonics change depending on the bayonet position. I assume you would extend the bayonet for those feral dogs that may come to your chicken coop in packs.

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Old 01-02-2013, 08:20 AM
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Thanks for the warm welcome! And thanks for all the great info concerning my potential purchase. Most of the information about prices are dated before the latest actions to limit private ownership of guns and are not valid today so you all's help is much appreciated! Keeping the coyotes and such away from our homestead is really the only use I have of this type of weapon as I don't hunt deer (because the Mrs. won't cook it).
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Have a M38 M/N, which is the older version of the M44 (uses a socket bayonet instead of the permanently attached) and reload for it, both jacketed and cast. Also put a Boyd's wooden replacement stock, a "scout" type mount with a Burris 2.75 Scout scope and am able to shoot reasonable 100 yd groups. Saved all the original parts to restore it to full military if later desired.

Keep in mind, with the short barrel, the rifle has a definite bark and kick, especially with the military's steel butt plate.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:51 AM
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Welcome TJC.

There are lots of various versions of the M44. The best IMO are the SAKO made.

As Pisgah said most are old and rebuilt; some may have even been in Stalingrad!!! But,I bought one new in cosmoline, never fired for $140 (but we bought a case and got a good deal). Interesting to me was that WW-2 was over in 1945. I'd have thought that the Russians would have stopped making them figuring that they had 10 million plus and no war. But mine and the rest of the case was from a lot made in 1954.....go figure the Russian mind. Maybe once they start building it might take years for the government to stop it would cut jobs in the USSR?

The M44 is a decent military shooter. But you will not be able to put a scope on it easily (no rear receiver ring, bolt must be turned down, etc).

As a shooter it is like the 30-06. If you shoot the mil surplus stuff...it will shoot a flame out of the barrel. As a hunter rifle, the safety is made for a 280 pound 6'4" Russian athlete.

Mine was so old that the cosmoline had turned to red wax, hard as paraffin; it took chipping and lots of labor to get it clean. But it was worth it to me.

If you reload, it is a decent cast bullet shooter.


Gun shows seem to have them as "wrecks" at $89 to excellent at $210. But with the gun market going crazy, I'm not sure what a recent good price might bring.
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:24 PM
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What Harry said. I picked up one for $50 a few years back with a cracked stock. The m44s seem to be the lowest priced of the bunch, and I doubt the supply will dry up like it has with ARs.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:36 PM
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Want to thank every one for all the fine info. once again. Thought it all over and went ahead and took the plunge. The numbers do all match, all of them. All the wooden parts have the same original numbers stamped into them, a 2 with a circle around it, so it has never been even sanded down and refinished. It has the Hexagon receiver so if my research is correct it is worth the upper end of what Webley estimated, but I didn't pay near that much. I took it to a pretty well rated gun smith and he agrees wholeheartedly with Webley too and he says the bore is better than some new weapons he sees these days. I am not in any way a gun expert so all of you all's help went a long ways in my purchase. Going to do a little shopping on line for a new rubber butt plate. I remember what an M-1 felt like way back when I went thru basic training so that is going to be my 1st accessory! Thanks!
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:46 PM
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You got lucky for sure. A nice hex is a good find. But a hex receiver is not an M44 unless it was rebarreled. The hex guns are 91/30s, or they were to begin with. Congrats either way, and enjoy.....
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Russian, Poland, Hungary, Romania and China built M44s. I've got a 1953 dated Polish built at Radom (11 inside a oval). I bought mine unissued in cosmoline in Munich, Germany around 1989 for 188 DM (about $88 then) Mine has West German proof marks and no importer stamp since I was the importer on the ATF form 6. A 02 coded reciever (no circle)would be a Hungrian. They only built the N44 in 1952-53 and had round recievers. Read below for info and history

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http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRef02.htm


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Old 01-04-2013, 01:44 PM
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Mike G,

You are correct, Hex Receivers were common on the Model 1891 Russian Mosins. In 1930, the Soviet planners redid the M1891 Mosin to a shorter barrel and a ROUND Receiver and designated it the Model 91/30. A Hex receiver M1944 is a rework of some type.

The Battle of Stalingrad was from August 1942 until Februrary 2, 1943. NO M1944 Mosins were in that battle. I collect Mosins from many nations. The very best are those from Finland. The Finns did refit and rebuild may older Mosins. The Finnish M1891, M28, M28/30 and M1939 are the finest examples of the Mosin 7.62X54R, IMHO. They are also the best cast bullet rifles in the Mosin line.

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Old 01-05-2013, 03:12 PM
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No hex receivers for M44's. Well, I don't know what to think now. The guy at the gun shop seemed very informed and was very sure that everything about my rifle was original and not re-worked at all. I know it shoots much straighter ant I can aim. Kicks like an old basic training m-1, lol. Well, I guess as long as it works perfectly and is safe to shoot it will be ok. Thanks guys. Need to do a little shopping for a rubber butt plate for sure.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:41 PM
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Don't sweat it. There is hardly ever anything "original" about old military rifles. Par for the course. If it has a bayonet attached and a short barrel, then it's an M44. What it started out life as is sort of a moot point and in fact, you may have a very interesting piece of history.

Stuff got 'recycled' all the time and I have seen more strange combinations of things on rifles than you'd suspect. Enjoy that steel buttplate!
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I'll still like to see a picture of the reciever code. A 2 inside a circle is interesting.CD
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I have a M44 carbine and 2 full sized Mosins. One of the full sized ones is a hex reciever version with Brass trimmings on it made in the mid 30s. I don't shoot the rifles, but the carbine is now fitted with a scout scope and shoots quite well.

The Sportmans Guide sells the kit for about $60 and you get the base, rings, 2-7x32 scope, sling, and recoil pad. Even being a .311 bore, it will shoot .308 bullets into a 2-3" group at 100yds with no signs of keyholing.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:40 AM
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I don't know how to send a picture in this web site and my best advice is to not post a serial number either. Don't know why, but always lean toward caution. I am wondering though, if this particular rifle has any possible value other than just a utility shooter for around the farm. If so, it would be fun to update it with the brass furniture like dmsbandit's. Are those 2's stamped in the stock and hand guards worth preserving or would you all just sand them down, refinish the wood and re-blue the scuff marks where the bayonette rubs? THanks,
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