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Old 02-20-2009, 05:40 AM
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I am going to Arizona for a few weeks to do some hiking, mountain climbing, camping, exploring. I worry about taking a gun with me driving 1650 miles across several states then after I get there I don't know the laws there and not sure I am allowed to have a gun or carry a gun.

Question is if you can NOT have a gun then what type of weapon would you want?

Bow are arrow would be impractical.

Baseball bat ........maybe.

Sword..........humm?

Secret weapon like maybe a 12 guage single shot walking cane.

Bang stick.

Chineese throwing stars.

Poison or acid spray.

What would be the best weapon for self defense other than a gun?
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Old 02-20-2009, 05:55 AM
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The best self defense weapon period is your head.
Perhaps going out into the wilderness with out your best self defense tool, a gun, is not using your head.
Packing a handgun, rifle or shotgun in your trunk un-loaded with the ammo stored seperate is fine unless you are a convicted felon.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:51 AM
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Your head attached to a 'staff'!!!
A 6 ft staff is a very formidable weapon, if YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT!
The last time I checked there is a law which gives you the right to carry a gun there or anywhere in the USA. The 2nd Amendment of the Bill Of Rights. Use the right or lose it!!!

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Old 02-20-2009, 06:52 AM
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I would personally go for the nunchucks, but only if you have awesome nunchuck skilz.

IIRC, from your previous posts, you are located in TN? Correct me if I am wrong. But if you have a Concealed Carry permit in TN, it is recognized in AZ.

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Old 02-20-2009, 07:35 AM
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Open carry is legal anywhere in Arizona. Concealed is fine with a reciprocal license.

Keep it in the trunk unloaded and locked while driving, but it is legal to have it loaded in a motel room because that's a temporary residence. I'd have a can of good pepper spray handy while actually driving, and in my pocket at highway rest stops.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:41 AM
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A good 18" piece of rebar in the truck is a handy tool as well.
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Worn out Jackhammer bits, always kept one on the floor of the dump truck...little more heft than rebar unless you get a big one...
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:36 PM
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Rocky is correct. Arizona is an open carry State, with the usual exceptions like Bars & Banks. As far as driving in Az. goes, you can have a firearm in the vehicle as long as the driver cannot reach it. I have a stretch cab Ford 4x4 & I travel all the time in this State with a pistol or revolver in my bags behind the seats. And for an alternate weapon you could use a big old knife, you know, like Crocodile Dundee's.
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good wood bat if you not takin a gun.. now ask yourself .. how many times has an trooper ever ask you to
let him inspect your car for drugs or guns etc.. if thats ever happened you have cause to worry more.. your appearance may invite concern by officers..if you traveling with family with kids or clean cut wife.. just keep the alcohol off your breath an forget it.. gun oughta be kept reachable an loaded.. mabe in a clothes bag.. jmo slim
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:58 PM
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Western states are generally pretty friendly to gun owners. The best thing you can do is contact the Attorney General's office in each state you are passing through, and find out the laws.

I can tell you, in Texas, it is now legal to have a firearm in your vehicle without a concealed carry license. Missouri too. Can't speak for other states.
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:43 PM
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This one goes with me everywhere anymore. Just to many nut cases out there to take any chances with my or my families lives.



I've got a belt holster for it, but it usually stays in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster in a front jeans pocket.



I have a concieled carry permit, but given the boldness of some of today's lawbreakers I simply don't go anywhere unarmed anymore. Perhaps working in a prison setting for a number of years with folks that simply disregard laws and morality has shaped some of the way I feel now.
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Old 02-20-2009, 11:09 PM
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...As far as driving in Az. goes, you can have a firearm in the vehicle as long as the driver cannot reach it....D
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First I've heard of this. My dad lives in AZ. He open carries everywhere and always has it on his person or within reach when in the vehicle. Are you saying that when getting into the vehicle, you must be disarmed? He talks to local cops all the time that know he's armed. Are they just being nice and not telling him he can't have it reachable while in the vehicle? Where can I go to verify this info? My family travels through AZ very often, not all of them have CCWs but do have guns in the vehicles.

FWIW, my NV and UT concealed carry permits are, of course, fully recognized by AZ.
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Old 02-20-2009, 11:14 PM
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One interested thing about NV which says not to assume too much:

It is perfectly legal to have your handgun within reach (concealed or not) in the vehicle (you must have CCW only if concealed on your person.) BUT IT IS ILLEGAL to have any kind of impact weapon for self-defense. If you have a baseball bat, you can expect to be questioned about the baseball game. If you have a large tool, you better be able to show it's actually being carried as a tool and not a weapon. Batons are automatically illegal for carrying, CCW or not. Now, it may or may not be easy to fake your story about your particular impact weapon of choice, but I'm just throwing out knowledge.

In other words, don't always assume it's legal to have a club within reach. Sometimes it's more legal to have the firearm!
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:10 AM
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Your head attached to a 'staff'!!!
A 6 ft staff is a very formidable weapon, if YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT!
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IF...you cannot transport the firearm you wish to use LEGALLY, for whatever reason, a 5 or 6 foot hiking staff gives you plenty of reach for you, and distance from any assailant [human or animal] for defense.

I have a Boyds gun stocks walking staff I have been using for about 7 years now. It is made of the same laminate they make their gunstocks from, in a word.....strong. I've been using it hiking all this time, and the only thing that wore out was the tip. Easily replaced.
It has served many uses, from it's intended use, to makeshift clothes drying line, to ridgepole for a tarp, expedient fishing pole, to even a camera steady, by resting the camera on top.

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Walking-Sticks-s/75.htm

A good quality knife is something I am never without either while out in the wood. Be it a Marbles, Buck or other brand, a good quality fixed blade knife is an indespensible tool. The blade need not be "rambo", but of good quality, and of some thickness. I personally carry a Muela Colibri...it's a Spanish made knife, but with a very thick hilt and the thickness of the steel carries throughout the length of the blade.
It really was not expensive, and holds a great edge. My personal one has olivewood scales. I'll post a pic of it in a bit.

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The lanyard on the knife are Ranger pace beads. they work like this:
Pull both sets of beads as far up as possible. After pacing off 100 meter, for example 65 paces with your left foot, pull down the first bead from the line with nine. Continue this until all nine beads are down. After the next 100 meters pull down a bead from the line with four and reset the nine beads. This marks 1 kilometer. When all the beads are pulled down at 4900 meters pace off another 100 meters, pull all the beads up to mark 5 kilometers, and start again. With practice you can be sure of your pace count day or night.

When I started Hiking, i used to bring the kitchen sink with me. Over many years, I have learned to streamline, and use several tools for several jobs. Good luck with your choices.
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:52 AM
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In Chattanooga, TN recently there was some controversy about a man carrying a hammer or something and it being called a weapon. I don't remeber all of the details, but IIRC, but the way that it was handled was almost as bad as if he had been armed with a handgun illegally
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:45 AM
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?????

First I've heard of this. My dad lives in AZ. He open carries everywhere and always has it on his person or within reach when in the vehicle. Are you saying that when getting into the vehicle, you must be disarmed? He talks to local cops all the time that know he's armed. Are they just being nice and not telling him he can't have it reachable while in the vehicle? Where can I go to verify this info? My family travels through AZ very often, not all of them have CCWs but do have guns in the vehicles.

FWIW, my NV and UT concealed carry permits are, of course, fully recognized by AZ.
My apologies for the confusion. What I meant was that you simply can't stuff a gun under the drivers seat. It is legal to have a firearm in plain view or in the glove box. See this page... http://www.opencarry.org/az.html


And for Crash2Much, this page is helpful in determining travel laws of various states... http://www.opencarry.org/travel.html
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?????

First I've heard of this. My dad lives in AZ. He open carries everywhere and always has it on his person or within reach when in the vehicle. Are you saying that when getting into the vehicle, you must be disarmed? He talks to local cops all the time that know he's armed. Are they just being nice and not telling him he can't have it reachable while in the vehicle? Where can I go to verify this info? My family travels through AZ very often, not all of them have CCWs but do have guns in the vehicles.

FWIW, my NV and UT concealed carry permits are, of course, fully recognized by AZ.
A number of years ago I was visiting a friend in AZ. We inquired about whether my CC license from WA was honored. It wasn't at that time but we were told by law enforcement that as long as the firearm was in plain view in the vehicle, it was legal.

This may have changed.
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:57 AM
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I am going to Arizona for a few weeks to do some hiking, mountain climbing, camping, exploring. I worry about taking a gun with me driving 1650 miles across several states then after I get there I don't know the laws there and not sure I am allowed to have a gun or carry a gun.

Question is if you can NOT have a gun then what type of weapon would you want?

Bow are arrow would be impractical.

Baseball bat ........maybe.

Sword..........humm?

Secret weapon like maybe a 12 guage single shot walking cane.

Bang stick.

Chineese throwing stars.

Poison or acid spray.

What would be the best weapon for self defense other than a gun?
Well, it's already been mentioned that Arizona is an open carry state. But, other states aren't. Aside with checking with every state you pass through, you also need to consider that many "weapons" are considered illegal other than firearms. I think a sword would be considered illegal in many places, and rather unwieldy to carry too. So my answers aren't specific to a given state.

Pepper spray or something similar ... more of a delaying tool than a true weapon. A good club is probably the most intuituve and useful. If it's too long, you won't carry it and it would be difficult to use in close quarters. Only you can decide what length is practical for you. Since you plan to hike, maybe a walking stick with enough heft and strength would make a practical club and not too conspicuous. A good pocket knife, either locking blade or fixed length. None of these are mutually exclusive either. Take 'em all if they don't bog you down too much. One thing to keep in mind with "throwing" items is they can be thrown back at you. I guess any weapon can be a "two-edged sword." That said any handy rock can make a devastating weapon. I think numchucs (spelling?) are illegal in many places. No weapon will do you any good if you aren't in the right frame of mind to use it nor proficient with it's use. So decide what will fit you and your situations best, think through how, when and whether you would use them, and do a little practice.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:13 PM
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...The last time I checked there is a law which gives you the right to carry a gun there or anywhere in the USA. The 2nd Amendment of the Bill Of Rights...
I guess you've been asleep for about 40 years... The 2A has been overwritten in many states, Constitution or no. Come to a state like NY, and explain it to one of our judges some time...

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Old 02-21-2009, 12:17 PM
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The best self defense weapon period is your head.
Perhaps going out into the wilderness with out your best self defense tool, a gun, is not using your head.
Packing a handgun, rifle or shotgun in your trunk un-loaded with the ammo stored seperate is fine unless you are a convicted felon.
It's hard to argue with that! Keep your head! Be mentally prepared. Cell phone, gun, knife, pepper-spray, baton or mag light, sure why not? Ninja weapons and swords for what? If your a ninja we wouldn't be having this discussion! You need to carry what you are trained to and/or actually would use. Don't be afraid to bring your gun. If you can't go there with out a gun, maybe would shouldn't go. Bob and some of the rest of us learned the value of a snubnose .38, they hide really well. The staff is another great idea. With a little reading and training you can do a whole lot with that, and it could double as a spear. They can hold lots of survival stuff in them too. That knife with Ranger beads would be great too. For me less is more, the less you have and the better you use it, the better off you are. Like that saying beware of the man with one gun, he might know how to use it. Have fun!
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