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Old 02-19-2010, 08:35 PM
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My daughter is shooting air-rifle in 4H and she needs a better gun. I was looking at the Gamo Delta, which takes 22# of cocking effort and shoots at 525 fps. She won't be able to handle a gun that takes more effort to cock. Anybody know how they shoot?

Most everybody shoots a multi-pump gun (like the Crossman 66) and some pretty good scores are shot w/em. I was also told that it seems like that the fixed bbl guns (like the Crossman multi-pump guns) are more accurate. Thoughts?
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:07 PM
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I have a newer crossman-$88.00. It shoots at 1000 fps one pump-higher with GAMO ammo. It is very hard to pump, but the instructions show how to use leverage and it becomes quite easy. I don't know about a young girl however. In the old days my buddy had a Blue Streak pump with a little bolt-wow was that accurate. As long as its rifled it should be a good one, regardless of cost. But the fast shooters are hard to pump-that's a fact. I'd say a boy of ten could pump it up and if she were to learn the leverage trick perhaps she could as well. As far as I know they all print a nice pattern.--hope this helps,
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:30 AM
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my buddy just got a Marauder. It shoots dime groups at 25 yds. with the tin pellets. I think they are about $600

he shot 44 ground squirrels the first day he had it
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:36 AM
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Man alive...I guess I've been out of the loop too long. I never knew air rifles could be accurate? The ones we used to have around here forced you to get within about 12 or so yards of a gopher if you wanted a body shot. Closer to about 8 yards if you wanted a head shot!
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:57 AM
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Yep, and the accuracy of the match guns is greater. I placed ninth nationally in the U.S. NRA postal matches for air pistol in 1989. The European match guns and pellets, even then, were capable of shooting through the same hole at 10 meters (32 ft, 9.7 inches) and came with factory fired machine rest groups to prove it. That's still true today, of course.

The match air pistols run around 350-450 fps, while the rifles are more in the 500-600 fps range. You learn follow-through really fast, shooting these.

Daisey got into the match gun game with the 717 (brass barrel) and 747 (steel barrel) single-stroke pneumatic pistols that are close to that level of precision and at under $200 are the bargain priced guns for people interested in match shooting.

Daisy also makes a rifle for beginning match shooters. They're part of the Avanti series. The model 853 is the least expensive at $279 most places. Long accuracy barrels are hard to bore, so they use imported Walther barrels to get that right. Very accurate.

If the Daisy is too rich for your blood (and we all know youngsters can drop interest in something in a heartbeat, so you may hesitate to spend that) you might look at the $99 Baikal spring gun. It won't be quite up to the accuracy of the more expensive match guns, but should be fine for a beginner.
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Old 02-20-2010, 12:06 PM
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> The ones we used to have around here forced you to get within about 12 or so yards

That is about the range of my Daisy air pistol (500 fps) without being all over the place, I am still trying to zero it in. I do not think it will kill much at that range though on a 2nd or 3rd rapid shot. I am hoping to get it aligned enough at 35 feet with the iron, scope, and laser sights all on one spot, so I can kill a squirrel with one shot at that range using the .177 BBs.
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Old 02-20-2010, 01:00 PM
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I bought a Marksman .177 pellet rifle at WalMart. It is a barrel cock design spring design with european style open sights and is groved for an air rifle scope. I have found it to be both powerful and accurate. I use it for pests in my backyard and summertime plinking as i cook out. It will consistantly hit 12 ga shotshells at 15 yards. I killed a racoon with it (head shot at 15 yards) one round and numerous other critters. The trigger is heavy but the air rifle is a good platform for practice and general fun. If you are really serious get your hands on one of the Air Force models. They are super accurate and very powerful.
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Old 02-20-2010, 01:58 PM
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I have a crossman "Custom Shop" .22, bolt action.
To be completely honest, it's so accurate that it's not even fun to shoot.

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Old 02-20-2010, 03:38 PM
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An accurate gun that isn't fun to shoot? Shirley you jest?

My buddy had a $250 air gun back when I lived in CA that he swore was junk. I watched him take shot after off-hand shot before asking if I could give it a try. I took a proper seated shooting position, with the flats of my elbows out past my knees, and dropped six ground squirrels with 8 shots, at ranges out to ~30 yards. The first one was 20 feet up in a tree, jabbering at us from a branch and I don't know who was more surprised, the squirrel or my buddy.

There wasn't a dang thing wrong with that gun and it convinced my buddy to teach him a little about how to really shoot.
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Old 02-20-2010, 05:13 PM
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as a kid a friend had a daisy or one of those type..he was death on rats w head shots no less.he just knew the gun..
if i wanted easy to cock though..i think id just get her a nice little 22 bolt action an use subsonic rnds..
now for me ..when i see one of the air rifles that make 1200 fps.. and is also very very quiet.. i may consider it..of course then it would probably cost , 5 hundred plus.. which would also rule it out..for me anyway..
if i had 500 for an air rifle ,it would go toward much more needed things..slim
at present im very challenged financially. what else is new ,,huh.

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Old 02-20-2010, 06:31 PM
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I've got a Gamo and it came with a scope on it. Bought it at the used/seconds of Bass Pro. Works great and amazingly accurate. Like Nick says you learn to follow through.

Trigger is pretty spongy but haven't had the ambition to take it apart.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:18 AM
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A high quality air rifle can and will be one of the most accurate "firearms" you can own. As a few others have said, GAMO makes a great affordable rifle. However, if you catch the airgun bug... take a look at the Benjamin Discovery PCP. numerous reviews sing praises for this rifle. It is capable of shooting ~900 fps with 20 grain pellets, and with a simple valve mod, can be kissing 1000, all while giving you .25-.50" groups at 50yrds.

The Benjamin is the best value in the PCP (pre charged pneumatic) range. If you have a little money burning a hole in your pocket, look at Evanix, Theoben, or Air Force.

www.pyramidair.com has almost any airgun you can get your hands on, with lots of reviews.

there are also a few channels on youtube that do lots of airgun reviews. "Dirt E. Harry" and "AirgunWeb"
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:26 PM
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Gamo shoots good but triggers are lousy. After market triggers only take a minute to drop in and makes the gun really fun to shoot. You didn't say how old or how big your daughter is but when I started my nephew out he was to short and to weak to do the 22# to cock the Gamo. I couldn't make him bigger but in a week he was cocking it just fine, just took a little conditioning and a week away from his video game.

You can buy youth model Gamos for under $100 here:
http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-air-rifles-youth.html

and triggers here:
http://www.airgunweb.com/2007/07/grt...ement-trigger/
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:30 PM
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I haven't looked for a spell, but it used to be the case that the high MV airguns weren't quite as precise as the match guns, though I don't know if the match pellets will even hold shape well under higher pressure, so it may be an ammo question, too? The fact the match guns have tended to remain slower suggests that hunting and match shooting have diverged a bit as to best tool for the purpose. Wouldn't be the first time.

I remember killing squirrels raiding a bird feeder at my grandad's place with one of the multi-stroke 5mm Sheridans. This would have been back in the mid-60's. Probably about a 35 yards. I would never trust my Feinwerkbau match rifle to kill an urban tree rat at that range, even with pointed high BC pellets. It just won't generate the necessary energy or momentum.
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Old 02-21-2010, 02:22 PM
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My daughter is shooting air-rifle in 4H and she needs a better gun. I was looking at the Gamo Delta, which takes 22# of cocking effort and shoots at 525 fps. She won't be able to handle a gun that takes more effort to cock. Anybody know how they shoot?

Most everybody shoots a multi-pump gun (like the Crossman 66) and some pretty good scores are shot w/em. I was also told that it seems like that the fixed bbl guns (like the Crossman multi-pump guns) are more accurate. Thoughts?

First and foremost - TRY OUT the TRIGGER.
Some are so bad that it don't matter what rifle its attached to - No one can shoot them accurately!!!
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Old 02-21-2010, 03:18 PM
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Your comment on the trigger is very true. My youngest son has a Winchester break-barrel airgun. A very accurate weapon - if you can possibly pull the trigger! Using a fish scale, I seem to recall that the trigger pull weight was around 13 - 15 lbs!!! You could hardly pull it. When I first tried it I thought the safety must be on. Furthermore, the trigger assembly is welded in place - no changing it!

My Gamo fixed-barrel airgun is a excellent shooter, but as others have noted, the trigger is very spongy. At least the pull weight is low. One of these days I need to order an aftermarket trigger. The sights are nice (high viz sights), but can tend to be a bit loose. I sent my first rifle back for a replacement because the sights were so loose they could be shaken back and forth. Otherwise, the gun is excellent - has the same feel as a full-size rifle, and very good accuracy.

If you can afford it, take a look at RWS airguns. They have a reputation for superb accuracy, high quality, and good triggers (but I have not tried one myself - I hope to pick one up someday).
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:09 AM
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I have a Feinwerkbau 124

spring piston. If I do my part it will shoot the same hole all day. Of course, it never does. Being 30 yrs old, I'm sending it in for a rebuild as I intend to shoot it al lot once again. Go to straightshooters.com for a lot of info on air rifles. My 124 was one of the first hi vel models but there are many more with greater power today. I'm sticking with 177 as I've never felt under gunned.

For fun shooting around the house it is hard to beat air rifle shilouettes. 33' range and plink away cheaply. As well, when the squirrels/starlings get to be to much I can dust them without disturbving the neighbors. Great shooting guns!
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:41 AM
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I had a Sheridan .20cal (multi-pump) that I could hit coke cans at 85+yds with (and it didn't even have any rear sights on it, no scope, either... I used it so much that the rear sights fell off).
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:27 AM
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Hi guys,,
As a few have noted, the Sheridans 5mm were awesome. If one were to find a used one in good shape buy it. It didn't seem to matter that it was low tech and cheap to all the game and dead center shots at distance. I once put a round through our garbage cans out by the road. That was about 25yrds and the cans were those old heavy tin with the handles. The cops got that one because I was dumb enough to loan it to a friend who was killing squirrels and someone called about a guy with a gun. I finally saw the need to lower how many critters are ruining my nice feeders. The cheap Crossman filled the bill at under $100 with fiber optics and a scope. As someone else noted kids change their minds and you could end up with a $450 gun. At the least-start off cheap and then you also will have something to shoot when the day comes that you need something that kills without the noise. My gun now is a practical addition to my collection-and it didn't break the bank. With GAMO she shoots 1200 fps at least, that's close to a .22 short. But as I first said-those Sheridans were the ticket-they had the silver and blue streak. Fantastic guns and in the right hands would come close to the $500 stuff. I forgot to mention that my crossman has an adjustable trigger so someone has been hearing the complaints. Good luck regardless and have some fun yourself.
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mike, 1200 fps is better than standard lr velocity.. good luck slim..
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