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07-21-2012, 02:11 PM
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Just a thought, but while watching Nightline last night with Bill whatever his name is, described $3000 worth of guns and ammo as a " massive arsenal " This included 4 guns which had to take up the large majority of that $3000 spent. I'll never understand why the media feels the need to speak about things they know nothing about. Just saying !! 
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07-21-2012, 02:18 PM
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Because they like to push their anti gun agenda,if he had any reloading equipment he would have been a certifiable terrorist.
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07-21-2012, 02:30 PM
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One question I have not heard is, "Was the theater a GUN FREE ZONE?"
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07-21-2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fred243
I'll never understand why the media feels the need to speak about things they know nothing about.
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The media only knows particularly much about one thing: media. I think it's safe to say that they make ignorant statements on all topics. It's sad that this is how most folks stay "informed".
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07-21-2012, 02:45 PM
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One question I have not heard is, "Was the theater a GUN FREE ZONE?"
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It's unlikely. My understanding of Colorado CCW law is that there are only a couple types of places where CCW is prohibited. Theaters are not one of them. Other locations can only prohibit concealed weapons if they employ security personnel and electronic screening at all entrances. So, unless there were guards and metal detectors at all entrances to the theater, then it was not a gun free zone.
Then again, I could be surprised. The notion that weapons were prohibited at Fort Hood certainly never would have occurred to me.
If so, this would be only the second time ever that a public mass shooting with more than three people killed took place where permitted concealed handguns were allowed (the Tuscon massacre being the other).
Edit: It is being reported that the theater was indeed a gun free zone. So, I'm surprised again. I will be watching with interest as the facts unfold to find out the legal factors that allow a movie theater in Colorado to prohibit legal CCW.
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07-21-2012, 04:18 PM
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The media usually gets it wrong
An arsenal is where they make guns. An armory is where they store guns. My gun safes constitute a small armory. I will never have an arsenal. All the best...
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07-21-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fred243
Just a thought, but while watching Nightline last night with Bill whatever his name is, described $3000 worth of guns and ammo as a " massive arsenal " This included 4 guns which had to take up the large majority of that $3000 spent. I'll never understand why the media feels the need to speak about things they know nothing about. Just saying !!  
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correct me if i'm wrong but the shooter did have an AR-15, a Remington 870 shotgun, two handguns in addition to 3000 rounds of ammunition. they also reported that he spent a total of $15k if you include the bomb making materials he used to booby trap his apartment. to the average non-gun carrying person this might accurately be considered an arsenal for one individual.
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07-21-2012, 05:56 PM
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Just read a CNN article a few minutes ago that was titled:
"Can you ever feel safe in a movie theater again".
You can't make this stuff up folks!
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07-21-2012, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
correct me if i'm wrong but the shooter did have an AR-15, a Remington 870 shotgun, two handguns in addition to 3000 rounds of ammunition. they also reported that he spent a total of $15k if you include the bomb making materials he used to booby trap his apartment. to the average non-gun carrying person this might accurately be considered an arsenal for one individual.
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Your correct about the guns and ammo. I've heard a pretty extensive amount on this along with reading and the dollar figure of $15,000 I've never heard or read. I'm not saying you didn't see or hear that but I haven't in all the news I've seen. Either way 4 guns doesn't add up to a " massive " amount as was the term the news reporter used. They've repeatedly said the trip wires were very elaborate while the explosives themselves were very amateurish. It sounded like he might have been pulling bullets to dump the powder out, they reported there were bullets all over the floor. Don't know if they actually meant bullets or they were referring to loaded ammo as bullets, people do that all the time. Arsenal generally means a place/facility where guns and ammunition are manufactured and usually when the word is used they are talking about a military facility. My point is that the anti-gun establishment and liberal far left media have easy access to says these things that are inaccurate, highly inflammatory, and just plain wrong to a huge audience at one time. It's just meant to stir the pot and get people riled up. What happened was sickening and horrible by a very troubled person ! Many innocent people including children were harmed or sadly murdered. I just felt like expressing my thoughts on the subject because it happens so often. I'll never forget what Rosie O'Donnell did to Tom Selleck, you can't tell me she didn't plan that ! There was no purpose for her to mention anything about guns and Walmart except to fulfill her hidden agenda. Thank you all for letting me speak and passing along my thoughts. Hope you all have a great weekend and stay cool, it was 108 today in the Dallas area at Love Field Airport, UGH !!
One more thing is they continue to say that you can buy a gun online with no background check. Although this is only a partial truth they should tell the whole story in that when you buy online the firearm is sent to a FFL dealer where you have to go pick it up. At that time you must fill out the forms, turn over your license and they do a FBI background check before you get the gun. Never do you get a gun shipped directly to our homes and they leave out the truth. OK, I'm done this time, thank you all again !!
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07-22-2012, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jodum
One question I have not heard is, "Was the theater a GUN FREE ZONE?"
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It is my understanding that Yes is the correct answer.
The city also has some anti gun laws on the book.
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07-22-2012, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jodum
One question I have not heard is, "Was the theater a GUN FREE ZONE?"
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The local news reported that the theater prohibited legal CCW carry.
One of the "experts" interviewed commented that it was good there were no CCW carriers there or it would have turned into a "wild west shootout".
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07-22-2012, 06:09 AM
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Your correct about the guns and ammo. I've heard a pretty extensive amount on this along with reading and the dollar figure of $15,000 I've never heard or read. I'm not saying you didn't see or hear that but I haven't in all the news I've seen. Either way 4 guns doesn't add up to a " massive " amount as was the term the news reporter used.
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the $15k figure was reported by my local news station. I don't know where they got this figure from but at the point it's trivial. the point i'm making is that if we're looking at the big picture here it doesn't really matter if he had 4 guns or 8. I personally don't care what language they use in the media to report what happened. 12 people have died and and scores were injured and that's the issue. you should be more concerned what this might mean for 2A rights
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07-22-2012, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fred243
I'll never forget what Rosie O'Donnell did to Tom Selleck, you can't tell me she didn't plan that ! There was no purpose for her to mention anything about guns and Walmart except to fulfill her hidden agenda.
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But yet people like Rosie O'Donnell and other anti-gunners ALL have ARMED GUARDS around them all the time. So it's okay for them to have firearms around them for protection but not the law abiding regular citizen.
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07-22-2012, 07:51 AM
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John Lott has reported that the Cinemark Theaters have signs posted prohibiting firearms, but he questions the legal authority of the theater to do so. This concurs with my own understanding of Colorado CCW law. Merely posting a sign does not make it illegal for a permit holder to carry concealed on the premises. In other words, signs prohibiting CCW are legally irrelevant in Colorado. (Though, if they discover you are armed, they can ask you to leave, and if you refuse, then you are tresspassing.)
Nevertheless, the signs were there, and the theater company considered it a gun free zone. Doubtless, so did most of their patrons, and evidently everyone in that theater at the time.
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07-22-2012, 10:04 AM
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UnCruel,
Thanks for the "Gun Free" update. Sadly, it was a Gun Free Zone ONLY for honest CCW folks. Holmes thus had SAFE SHOOTING conditions like the Virginia Tech shooter who shot 59 people and killed 32. Off duty cops taking college courses were not allowed to carry on the Virginia Tech campus because it was a Gun Free Zone.
GUN FREE ZONES are DANGEROUS places for unarmed CCW folks and other citizens.
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07-22-2012, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
the $15k figure was reported by my local news station. I don't know where they got this figure from but at the point it's trivial. the point i'm making is that if we're looking at the big picture here it doesn't really matter if he had 4 guns or 8. I personally don't care what language they use in the media to report what happened. 12 people have died and and scores were injured and that's the issue. you should be more concerned what this might mean for 2A rights
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I'm very concerned about the 2nd !! That's why it bothers me when the national news media say things that are not factual and true. They have a huge audience they reach and when they say you can buy a gun online with no background check and end the comment there it's very misleading, when the truth is no firearm can be shipped to your house and has to go to an FFL dealer where you then go and have the background check done at that time before you leave with your firearm. And yes I've stated how sickening and horrible what happened was.
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07-22-2012, 12:38 PM
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I go back a long time. In 1987 I went to Texas to look over a ranch on which I was hoping to bring Europeans to hunt. The owner invited me to breakfast the first morning and I was introduced to the local judge and a number of other business people in the town. At that time we had a maniac shoot up one of our small towns and kill a number of people. I outlined what had happened. The judge looked thoughtfully for a few moments then said, " Well, could happen in llano I suppose, but doubt he would kill that many, because some good old boy would take the rifle off of his rack and blow him to ****".
If there had been a concealed carrier in that theatre, is it not concievable that fewer people would have been killed and injured and the maniac would not now cost the USA a fortune in court proceedings etc.
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07-22-2012, 01:32 PM
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Sus Scrofa,
My friend, you are far too logical. I am a retired federal agent and ALWAYS have my Life Support near at hand wherever I am. Since there have been Mass Shootings in Luby's, McDonalds, Malls, Movie Theaters and churches, we can safely conclude Police Protection is a myth and the cops ONLY show up After the Fact!
I plan on being a survivor and will ignor the "Gun Free" BS signs that NEVER apply to the Bad Guys. Nuff Said.
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07-22-2012, 02:25 PM
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How did this guy walk into a theater with all the guns he was carrying without someone questioning what is going on.I mean before he got past the lobby??
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07-22-2012, 02:45 PM
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Rocky Mt.
As I understand the situation, Holmes came in the BACK DOOR while the minimal Police Presence was at the Front Door! Somehow, the guys with the Badge did not think to put an officer out back. DUH! I suspect the lone guard on Lincoln at Ford's Theater (Who left his post to go to a nearby pub) is a model of NOT covering all Entrances/Exits.
Since it was a GUN FREE ZONE, What is the Problem???? Oh, I see, Holmes did NOT COMPLY! Imagine that???
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