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Old 12-21-2012, 10:58 AM
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anyone who is watching TV should know the gun fight is on....and shooters and the 2nd amendment are going to lose. we can just pray it isn't "lose everything.

So as one more try. any one that shoots or owns a gun should be an NRA member. I doubt we can win...but without the NRA we will lose for sure.

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Join today if you care. Please no excuses to me. I'm deaf to "dah, I don't like the magazine" or "they always want money". Those are dumber than the "the dog ate my homework and my visa card"!
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:05 PM
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No thanks. As they've proven time and again, they're not for guns specifically. They're for getting their political candidate into office. As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter which of the two parties is in office; we're going to lose our freedoms slowly but surely. If the NRA wants my support, they need to drop the party politics and start being all about guns.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:18 PM
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Need to read the last two sentences.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:35 PM
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Take heart, Harry. You aren't the only one who sees the value in NRA membership. If the numbers are accurate, membership has increased substantially since the 2008 election. Apparently O'Bama is as good an NRA recruiter as he is a gun salesman.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:11 PM
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Sadly, folks will find one little nit to pick with the NRA, then vote for a candidate with whom they have many, many differences.

Then they wonder why we are losing our rights!!!
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:55 PM
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When the NRA was about education, hunting, and gun rights, I could get behind them. As they have gone further out into deep right field, they lost me due to their extremism. You see, I don't tolerate extremism of any stripe well. It doesn't sit with my Moderate tendencies.

So I'll fax Lisa, Mark and our Congresscritter for all Alaska, Young to oppose the ban. Don can't read, so someone will have to read it for him, but he knows which way to vote.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:47 PM
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Need to read the last two sentences.
Yep, I read them, and nothing changed. Reasons aren't excuses.

And Mike... I didn't vote at all because neither one was worth putting in office. On the one hand, you have the same old same old from the last four years. On the other hand, you have one of the ilk that trashed our economy and retired with a pension worth several million dollars. It really seemed like a no-brainer to me. As far as I was (am) concerned, they could both get bent and take the NRA with them.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:34 PM
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... I didn't vote at all because neither one was worth putting in office. On the one hand, you have the same old same old from the last four years. On the other hand, you have one of the ilk that trashed our economy and retired with a pension worth several million dollars. It really seemed like a no-brainer to me. As far as I was (am) concerned, they could both get bent and take the NRA with them.
With that, you failed to realize that one candidate was clearly anti-gun, and the other was at least neutral gun. So you 'passed', and let everybody else decide. Kind of like Justice Roberts, who decided not to show up for work on the Obamacare vote.

If you don't like the NRA, are there ANY pro-gun organizations that you do like? SAF? GOA? Or do you like just going it alone, or not at all?
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:38 PM
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kyeW I am afraid in order to get things sorted, getting political is necessary. Here in the UK we have the BASC (British Association for Shooting and Conservation) in the last twenty years they have built representation in Westminster(our parliament/political centre). We now have our own media centre. Without the representation at this level we would have certainly lost a lot of ground and the regulations regarding firearms would have been more stringent than they already are. Now, today, politicians and law makers are actually asking for advice from BASC. One thing is for sure, on your own you are nobody in todays world. Numbers count with politicians. They are very basically self interested and anything which may alter their future climb onto the next persons shoulder will influence any decision they make.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:32 AM
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Divide & Conquer

United we stand, divided we fall.

We fell (Australia) and have the toughest gun laws on the planet.

Firearms | Western Australia Police

What - you want a handgun? ROFLMAO

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Category H
Category Description
H1 a handgun (including an air pistol)
H2 an underwater explosive device

Genuine need test for Category H:

The applicant is required to satisfy the Commissioner that a firearm of category A, B, or C would be inadequate or unsuitable for the purpose for which the firearm is required.

A person does not have a genuine need to acquire or possess a firearm of category H because it is required for:

(a) hunting,

(b) recreational shooting, other than by a person described in paragraph under the heading “Restrictions for category H”, and for a purpose described in that paragraph; or

(c) destroying stock or vermin.

Members of firearm clubs can only apply for a Category H firearm (handgun), after 6 months of active membership but are subject to certain conditions and/or restrictions. (Please check with your club to determine these conditions).
The only exceptions (non-club purposes) are:

required in the course of the person’s occupation (restrictions do apply); and
Commonwealth or State Government purposes.

Note: Hunting, recreational shooting or vermin control are not deemed to be a “genuine reason” for possessing a firearm of this type.
The rest of the "hoops" for obtaining a "range restricted" handgun license are in a downloadable PDF so I won't list them here.

The point is this!

You simply cannot have a CCW permit for a handgun - period.

If your a govt agent (police, ag dept, wildlife, customs, payrolls armed cash transit guard) then YES you can have a hand gun.

No ordinary citizen may have a handgun on them period unless they are on an approved sporting competition pistol range or in their car between their house and the range or return or taking the gun to a gunsmith for repair.

Why post this?

Coz this is what happens when your sporting shooting body gets divided and conquered, when people cant be bothered voting or supporting their NRA!

Once your rights are lost its too late.

Now we have the stupid situation where we have to try and get single issue (shooting hunting fishing party's) elected to parliament, to try and claw back all the rights we once had and lost thru apathy!

If you are apathetic, and you lose all your rights - you will have only yourselves to blame if you don't support the NRA to lobby for retaining your rights.

Your forebears gave their lives to gain you these rights.

When I see people say thing like they don't like the NRA for whatever petty reason, and they don't care enough to even vote - to me it's like spitting on ones forebears graves.

Just get behind NRA and hang onto your 2A rights whatever it takes is my advice!.

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Old 12-22-2012, 03:33 AM
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I can understand being skeptical of the NRA's motives, and I'll agree with you. So join, give your money to one of the other pro firearms organizations.
If you don't, then you really have nothing to contribute to the protecting our Second Amendment and helping remove the more onerous current gun controls.
If you don't vote in every election available to you, it's proof postive that you have no convictions worthy of naming, to match your your key boarding.
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May Santa bring you a whole bucket of blessings and joy in the coming year.

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Old 12-22-2012, 06:06 AM
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It seems to me that all of the reasons that gun owners give for not belonging to the NRA is that the NRA just isn't quite their cup of tea. I have yet to hear one of these gun owners claim that the NRA is a BAD thing for us, rather than something they don't quite cotton to. Maybe getting pro-gun candidates elected is actually an overall bad thing. Maybe 4.3 million members actually means nothing to the politicians who wish to keep their seat under their fat butts. Maybe standing back to back with fellow gun owners who have 'unnecessary' firearms is somehow wrong. I'll keep sending them money because I believe they (we actually) are a good thing overall.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:24 AM
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I'm a NRA member, (actually pay for two memberships) don't read the magazine (either one), but no other org. is doing what they do, so I'll continue to support them.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:44 AM
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It is ALL about power and politics. Make your adversaries scared to oppose you in fear of losing an election and fighting lawsuits. How do you do that? MONEY and MANPOWER and that is what the 4.3 million members of the NRA represents.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:48 AM
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Wow. I'm not sure how the NRA can support our gun rights without being "political." As soon as someone can figure that out, please let the rest of us know.

In the meantime.... join some other organization that works to preserve our gun rights, without being "political" (if you can find one).

And, there were other candidates on the ballot that surely deserved your support. Apathy from gun owners is the dream of the left... thanks to those who helped make it come true
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:47 AM
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The NRA is political because securing the 2nd Amendment is a political fight. They aren't about one party. Those that suggest they are just don't have a clue. And I would like some examples of their "extremism." Their endorsement of Harry Reid in Nevada probably won him re-election last time around. They have repeatedly endorsed democrats in a bunch of states who have been pro-2nd Amendment. They have been endorsing the Republican presidential candidates the last few cycles because the Democratic nominees since Clinton have been openly against the 2nd Amendment. Gun owners who don't support the NRA right now deserve what they get. My wife and I both have longstanding memberships and will be giving extra.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:37 AM
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Yes, I too am sadden that the NRA has moved away from “...education, hunting, and gun rights,...” However, last night while listing to the radio I heard Alan Colmes, a prominent T.V. and radio pundit say something to this effect and I paraphrases, “We should rewrite the 2nd Amendment to eliminate the personal possession of firearms.”

I would say we are in the political fight of our lives. Just this past June I applied to be a Life Member of the NRA (I'm doing the dollar down, dollar a month thingy). I should be paid in full within the next month or so.

Somehow this all reminds me of the 1930's and the great quote from Martin Niemöller.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.


So for all those folks that think the NRA is to political and there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans, Liberals (Progressives) and Conservatives, here is my thought and I'm a moderate living on the left coast, “I will step up and I will speak for you. I am a Jew.”
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:42 PM
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I agree with Sus Scrofa, we (all firearm owners) need to have strong political representation as a major key in the fight to retain your hunting and firearm ownership rights, otherwise all will be lost.

All associations and groups need to unite as one and square away any differences to successfully argue the protection of your right to own legal firearms. We all have the same goal, legal firearm ownership.

Here in Australia we have seen this happen with Greens politicians (independents with their own anti gun agendas) continually attack and undermine our right to fish, hunt (bow and firearm) and of course, legal firearm ownership. We have already lost sporting semi automatics and pump action shot guns.

As we know, politicians work on divide and conquer, but united we stand, divided we fall....
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:17 PM
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With that, you failed to realize that one candidate was clearly anti-gun, and the other was at least neutral gun. So you 'passed', and let everybody else decide. Kind of like Justice Roberts, who decided not to show up for work on the Obamacare vote.

If you don't like the NRA, are there ANY pro-gun organizations that you do like? SAF? GOA? Or do you like just going it alone, or not at all?
I have yet to see any evidence (except for the questionable assertions from the whack jobs on Fox News) that proves Obama is trying to ban guns. If anyone has any credible evidence of this, please make me aware of it.

As far as elections go, let me give an analogy: There's two men accosting a woman. One is trying to kill her; the other is trying to rape her. Which one are you going to help? If you're like me, neither one, despite the general opinion that one of those crimes is "lesser" than the other. They're both wrong and I won't have any part of them.

And gun organizations aren't really high on my priorities list. Whatever I feel about any of them makes no difference. I wasn't put on this Earth to forward some power-grabbing organization's agenda, whether a pro-gun organization or a political party.

If they want to take my guns, they have to physically come and do it.

Let them try.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:25 PM
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Wow. I'm not sure how the NRA can support our gun rights without being "political." As soon as someone can figure that out, please let the rest of us know.

In the meantime.... join some other organization that works to preserve our gun rights, without being "political" (if you can find one).

And, there were other candidates on the ballot that surely deserved your support. Apathy from gun owners is the dream of the left... thanks to those who helped make it come true
It's not about the NRA being political. It's about me not being political. Sure, I follow politics somewhat, though it's more of a "can't look away from the grisly accident I'm driving by on the highway" thing than any actual interest.

Once politics get away from the childish antics I've seen in the past ten or twelve years, I might get involved. But it'll never happen, so I'll just sit back and laugh at the adults acting like children and take no part.
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