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Old 12-24-2012, 06:12 AM
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I'm amazed how each new tragedy that takes place is considered by some to be ..................ooooooooTHE WORST IN AMERICA'S HSTORY!!!!

It seems many do not bother to do their homework.

See the attached link.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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Old 12-24-2012, 08:00 AM
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I have studied a lot of shootings and bombings of schools, but this is the first I have heard of this one. Thanks for the heads up and the link. Lou
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:34 AM
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Brings to mind, heaven forbid, the car bombs and IEDs so prevalent in the foreign countries.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:03 AM
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Take away

Take away a mans reason for living - and there's no telling what he will do!

The Bath disaster makes the point that in this case it was explosives (Murrah building anyone?).

Isn't this same thing occurring all over the USA?, loss of jobs, home foreclosures, health care that you can afford & heath insurers determining what treatment they will or won't pay for, for a family's loved ones?


EDIT: Sorry Anne, no clear link to any 2nd amendment issues in what I deleted. Did you ignore DOK's advice to read the stickies? No, don't post the same in the Crosswire forum.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:34 AM
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Don't recall ever seeing such a conglomeration of conspiracy theories before !

It really irritates me to have someone not here to rant about everything we Americans are doing wrong and pretty much ignoring all the warts in their own country. We're not perfect here, yet we seem to muddle through and end up taking not only care of ourselves but a major portion of the world, also. Maybe that's what we need to do - withdraw our forces from around the world (effectively ruining the economy of the local economy in those countries), discontinue foreign aid, especially to those who demonstrate their despise for us, cut off imports from those that take us to task.

Guess it's time for us to become isolated and quit being the world's policeman and deep pocket provider.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:52 AM
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[QUOTE=Anne Shoots;650654]Take away a mans reason for living - and there's no telling what he will do!

Isn't this same thing occurring all over the USA?, loss of jobs, home foreclosures, health care that you can afford & heath insurers determining what treatment they will or won't pay for, for a family's loved ones?


I agree Anne Shoots with your above statement.
I think in part we are seeing the results of a very frustrated society. Many are living with all kinds of fears that did not exist 20 years ago.
We happen to live in a county which now has some of the highest property taxes in the country. Many retired folks are virtually living on the edge of poverty and losing their homes because our insane spend free state government insists on raising property taxes every single year to pay for some of the most incredibly stupid stuff. Our city council members actually wanted to use tax payer money to paint the green utility boxes that we ocassionally see sitting on city street corners with abstract art themes in order to make them look pretty. This decision raised such public outrage that they decided against it. Here we have the elderly worried about keeping bread on their tables and their roofs over their heads and we have totally moron politicians spending money like water.
These are fears that were unheard of years ago. My dad tells me that in the 50's property taxes were so low that they were not even an issue and hardly even noticed. My grandparents retired and continued living in their huge west side two story five bedroom home and survived only on Social Security. They lived out their retirement years, went fishing and life was good. People thought about their gardens, their grandkids, the rose bushes and the fence that needs painted and for the most part everybody was secure and happy.
But my how life has changed. Every frustration imaginable to man suddenly seems to be upon us and many are afraid. And if our government keeps messing around with the 2nd amendment they are only going to add to our fears, our insecurities, and ultimately the insanity.
I would like to ask all the bleeding heart politicians that enjoy the protection of all these terribly evil black guns how they would protect themselves and their families if they did not have this protection like those of us in the real world. I think that's part of the problem....they don't live in the real world.
I'm sure most would stick their heads in the sand and simply say that they would rely on their local law enforcement to protect them.
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:14 PM
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Harkknight,
I think we worry too much about the politicians instead of the public that voted them into office and votes to keep them in office. We have met the enemy and it is us (or the majority of us). We need to find a better way of educating the uneducated public, but without the media, we're going to have a real uphill battle.

And one of my bigger concerns is the potential for Obama to replace retiring Supreme Court justices with liberal anti-2nd Amendment justices. Changing the law is as simple as them finding an excuse to review the ruling and changing it....and then they have a "legal" right to not only regulate/suppress firearms ownership, but to make it illegal for the private citizen to own firearms. And I don't think that's an unrealistic concern. All my friends, including the ones that served in the military think I'm kinda weird about my concerns for protecting myself and my family. I reply that every broadcast I've seen from a place where firearms have been used always includes the neighbor that says, "That never happens here."

Anyway, a complex situation that will require a continuing uphill battle!

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Harkknight,
I think we worry too much about the politicians instead of the public that voted them into office and votes to keep them in office. We have met the enemy and it is us (or the majority of us). We need to find a better way of educating the uneducated public, but without the media, we're going to have a real uphill battle.

And one of my bigger concerns is the potential for Obama to replace retiring Supreme Court justices with liberal anti-2nd Amendment justices. Changing the law is as simple as them finding an excuse to review the ruling and changing it....and then they have a "legal" right to not only regulate/suppress firearms ownership, but to make it illegal for the private citizen to own firearms. And I don't think that's an unrealistic concern. All my friends, including the ones that served in the military think I'm kinda weird about my concerns for protecting myself and my family. I reply that every broadcast I've seen from a place where firearms have been used always includes the neighbor that says, "That never happens here."

Anyway, a complex situation that will require a continuing uphill battle!

Dan
Thanks Doc. I agree. Otherwise one day all of us are going to wake up and find that the Bill of Rights has been reduced to simply a dusty old relic of history. Sadly......this is already what many think it is.
Our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.
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Guys, this is going down all sorts of ratholes. Please avoid dragging other political topics into it.
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Old 12-24-2012, 02:23 PM
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Seems like a reasonable place for this as well:

Charles Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charles Whitman, aka the 1966 UT "sniper". Killed 16, injured 32. Weapons used: Hunting knife, bludgeon, Sears shotgun, Remington 700ADL 6mm Rem. He had numerous other weapons including a newly bought Universal M-1 Carbine and a Luger but is said to have not used them.

I post this not to be morbid but to point out that the firearms he actually used with very deadly effect are of the most sporting nature. These are the firearms the banners SAY they would allow us to keep. Probably not a surprise to anyone here but hunting firearms are among the most deadly. Other than the shotgun deaths at close range, the rest of his shootings were from @100 yd to 500 yd using his deer rifle.

Whitman had been seeing a campus psychiatrist, who noted his rage and homicidal thoughts. Very much like several recent mass shooters.

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