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Old 01-05-2013, 12:22 PM
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Don't mean to be inflammatory, just stating the facts. Our "liberals" are anti-gun, anti-concealed carry, and generally anti-self defense. Now they want to ban gun shows.

I'm aware there are several forum members who identify themselves as politically liberal who support the right to keep and bear arms. I wish they lived here and have some sort of decent influence on the rest of the liberal population. Sadly, I believe that the great majority of liberals think along these lines, that by banning gun shows we'll magically fix all the problems in this world.

City, county to consider restricting gun shows | www.statesman.com

If you think of yourself as "liberal" and own guns, you are far more right-wing to the rest of the crowd of democrats then you could possibly imagine.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:56 PM
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In Texas, at that! Of course, Austin is certainly not a bastion of conservative mentality.

Liberals want one thing, whether they are in political power or just a member of the populace: power in the absolute. There are three things (that I can think of at the moment) that threaten the absolute:

1) Religion (belief in a Higher authority than they, themselves - God);
2) Freedom of Speech (which threatens to reveal factual information and uncover their machinations);
3) Weapons (which threaten to relieve them of their absolute authority).

The craziest thing about the city & county property use for gun shows, that they're considering, is that they then propose a "special permit" for those who would host the show on private land. This gives considerable insight into the mindset of the politicians and supporters of this proposal. It is an outright admission that Government has power over all freedoms and that they consider all property "theirs".
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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We should also close down all those irresponsible used car dealers that are out there selling automobiles to the public. Just think of all the vehicle accidents we could prevent and all the needless, senseless deaths they cause!

Only in a world-gone-mad would anyone think that "how" a gun was purchased would have any impact on the circumstances that create a mentally unbalanced person, and lead them to commit an act of atrocity. When I contemplate just how many people now prescribe to this kind of "logic", I weep for the society we have become.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:36 PM
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As you said in another thread, Jason, "we've" taken God out of our lives. This has paved the way for deceit and deception to be administered to the American populace. I believe we know where deception originates.....

We must be protected from ourselves. And guns get in the way of that "protection".
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:47 PM
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The newspaper could have had a different headline with the same meaning:

"To prevent irrational, illegal, and dangerous acts by criminals and the insane, we are going to prevent law-abiding people from engaging in legal activities."

Frankly, most of the left wing here would support that statement, too.....
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:46 PM
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Normally I would check politics at the door here, but liberals are my enemy, now more than ever. Even if a liberals says, "I sure do like me them there guns," they vote for obama and senators who confirm Justices like sotomayor and kagan and are intent on destroying the Second Amendment. Even so called "Blue Dog" Democrats are less than worthless. As soon as the wind blows, manchin, warner, reid all stab us in the back and vote lock-step for SCOTUS Justices intent on destroying our rights under the Constitution, it's a living document you know. I'm just praying that Justice Kennedy lives and serves for four more years. They want to destroy my rights so I don't care if they love them there guns. I have no liberals friends and never will.
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All of this crap lately is nothing more than the extremely corrupt gov't using a horrendous tragedy to move forward their agenda which has long been to disarm us, and thus to control us COMPLETELY.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:22 PM
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I hate to bring politics into the forum too. But we are living in "interesting" times, to say the least. Our rights have not been under attack like this in a long time.

The sad part is, many gun owners have their heads in the sand over the issue.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:25 PM
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I hate to bring politics into the forum too. But we are living in "interesting" times, to say the least. Our rights have not been under attack like this in a long time.

The sad part is, many gun owners have their heads in the sand over the issue.
Exactly right! Too many believe there's nothing wrong with giving "a little for the greater good". Once the right is gone, it is gone forever. Too bad they simply can't see it.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:32 PM
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This discussion is certainly political but points out what is almost an absolute position by liberals - at least those in power - concerning the 2nd Amendment. Yes, their view of government and its role OVER its people transcends the 2nd Amendment but that is our common interest and I think should be fair game for open discussion on the forum. Their view is certainly a threat to our freedom and there is no doubt about it.
No liberal can answer this question though: how can a government that has an unarmed population truly operate with the consent of the governed? The answer is they won't need consent. We will be at their mercy and are pretty much there now. And, yes, before someone says it, I fully understand our representatives are elected. Having elected representatives and having the "consent" of the governed are not the same thing.
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Too many believe that others should be "giving a little for the greater good". Usually something they don't care or have no use for in THEIR world.
Reread Stretches 3 points.
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:46 PM
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If you are a gun owner and not concerned about what is happening, you need a CHECK UP from the NECK UP.
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As has been said.

If you are a gun owner who is willing to give up one type of gun to silence the issue, you are part of the problem.

To many confuse the issue as a hunting issue. This has nothing to do with hunting.

Our voices, have to be heard over and over, and not one of us can sit back and think the other guy will speak for me. I see to many believing nothing will happen. I would love to take them on a visit of countries that I have had to travel and work in that have been disarmed.

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This forum has always been diligent to INCLUDE God in its discussions, limit political rants, and keep the focus squarely on guns, shooting, reloading, hunting, etc. I like it that way, but as Mike has said, these are "interesting" times and we all need to be motivated to voice our thoughts and opinions, perhaps like never before.

In less than 2 years, mid-term elections will be coming up. By then, it's possible we will have seen dramatic changes in this country. Given the tenuous nature of our economic "recovery", the ponderous burden of Obamacare, and what seems to be a truly unavoidable default on the national debt, it is hard to predict what will come to pass in the next two years.

I will be using that time to share truth with people, and if they are so inclined, I will also share the Truth with them. If we can all agree that ignorance is the sickness afflicting this country, then surely knowledge is the only possible cure.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:36 PM
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Guidefishing, you're right: this 2nd Amendment issue has nothing to do with hunting.

Jason, I agree too with your view on ignorance of part of the populace, But! It's similar to kids in a schoolhouse. The information is there for them, but they cannot be forced to learn. People are not motivated to learn once they encounter an obstacle or a point of view that contradicts what they've already "mused" to be true, they dig their heels in - they close their eyes, cover their ears, shake their head from side to side, and say "no, no, no, no!"

Many are happy with a few movies a year, a couple of soundbites per night from Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews, or (cough) Lawrence O'Donnell. That suffices for knowledge and provides the basis for "musing" into fact.
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The thing that amazes me about far left liberals is that they think they are very intelligent, but nearly all of their views are based on lies and fact-less rhetoric, yet they argue them to the hilt. They are simply brainwashed in my opinion, either by Satan or by the corrupt political and media machines in this country (which are three in the same if you ask me).
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The thing that amazes me about far left liberals is that they think they are very intelligent, but nearly all of their views are based on lies and fact-less rhetoric, yet they argue them to the hilt. They are simply brainwashed in my opinion, either by Satan or by the corrupt political and media machines in this country (which are three in the same if you ask me).
Amen my brother!!

It is more important now than at any time in history past to try to get our message out- the message of the truth about what the 2A stands for.

I always ask people what they think would happen if the 2A was gone? Many think things would roll along just fine. No way.

I tell them that the 2A is ALL that stands between them and them losing their right to worship, free speach, and to live life as they choose.

I wonder just how many of the liberal blowhards like chris matthews, ed shultz, feinstein, etc., would be upset if the 1A was under attack. I bet they'd all rally around "the cause" then! No more running their liberal pie holes nightly if there were no more jobs for them, and just how many of them could actually hold a real job elsewhere?

We need to stick together now more than ever. I don't care what kind of weapon is your personal favorite, saying that giving a little is ok because you don't happen to have any use or interest in another type of weapon is foolhardy at best.
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May get flamed for this - but for every extremely left leaning over the top liberal, there is some one on the right that is just as bad. That said, a lot of ignorance being spilled about 2A right now...
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Maybe a reversal of our thinking would help. With our belief that liberals/progressives think puts us at a disadvantage. Using 'liberals thinking' is an oxymoron, they don't think, they feel then justify that feeling. Like a child who takes the candy then justifies it with 'I wanted it'. Liberals/progressives never grow up they keep doing, taking and justifying. The worst part is they try to subvert others to their low standards so they, the liberals/progressives, can avoid feeling guilty or being judged as substandard.

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There have been liberals who surprisingly embrace the 2nd Amendment. Sometimes it's more a grudging acceptance...an obstacle they need to overcome. Modern liberalism (Progressivism) is the philosophy of total gov't and that leaves no room for truly free people. More disturbing are conservatives who, out of left field, parrot the Brady Campaign's talking points to you. We are all vulnerable to misinformation. People such as us on this board are lucky enough to have many years of experience with guns and see them for what they are...tools. Capable of good work or bad.

Anyone who takes the time to read the words of our founders WILL understand what the 2nd Amendment means.

Our weak spot with much of the general public is that they don't see the positive value in gun ownership. They see banning select guns as reasonable because they have been brainwashed to believe that guns are a potential menace with no redeeming values. The gun ban may not help with crime but it's no real loss in their mind either way.

The Antis play on this by telling them that a gun in your home is more danger to you than an intruder. They support this claim by including suicides (which are a major portion of gun deaths in this country) in their statistics. Suicides are generally not dependent on gun availability. Japan has no guns but twice the suicide rate of the U.S.

They will claim that guns are rarely used in self defense because no one got shot and even if they did, it usually doesn't make the news. Most of the time the bad guy is not shot but the ending may have been much different if the good guy was not armed. Many crimes are undoubtedly never attempted because of the possibility of an armed citizen.

More Americans ARE seeing the positive value though, and that is what we should build on. More of us own guns and CCW. Fewer of us have faith in the gov't to protect us in the future. Truly bad times seem to be close at hand.

Some recent events lead me to believe that public opinion on the issue is not where the Antis would like it to be. May not matter, the Left has bulldozed us in the recent past. Could be they'll have second thoughts about using brute force in this case.
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