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Old 01-06-2013, 05:50 AM
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I finally decided to add a bit of commentary of my own on the Sandy Hook tragedy, with a focus on asking some hard questions about the larger issues, as I see them, involved in this tragedy.

How and why was a clearly very mentally ill young man, who was obsessed with his severe violent computer gaming addition, and was about to be institutionalized, able so easily to gain access to firearms to begin with? Banning guns is the knee-jerk emotional reaction to the situation, but it does not deal with the deeper issues raised by the whole incident.

Here are my thoughts on the whole situation, for what is worth:

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Old 01-06-2013, 06:44 AM
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Great video!
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:59 PM
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Amen,Thanks for sharing.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:50 AM
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I finally decided to add a bit of commentary of my own on the Sandy Hook tragedy, with a focus on asking some hard questions about the larger issues, as I see them, involved in this tragedy.

How and why was a clearly very mentally ill young man, who was obsessed with his severe violent computer gaming addition, and was about to be institutionalized, able so easily to gain access to firearms to begin with? Banning guns is the knee-jerk emotional reaction to the situation, but it does not deal with the deeper issues raised by the whole incident.

Here are my thoughts on the whole situation, for what is worth:

Sandy Hook and Guns - Hard Questions! - YouTube
You want to know what? It all comes down to responsibility. I could care less about a video that might say what I mean. That won't even come close to putting things in perspective. Thing is.....we always ask why....or how? We are all responsible in one way or another. For ignoring sick individuals, for denying proper education, for not saying something we should at the time. For not being more active instead of reactive. Point fingers all you want.....ask questions....place blame. Deep down each and every one of us is ultimately responsible in some way. Denial stands in the way of rehabilitation. We make the world we live in plain and simple. We can also change what's happening if we care and devote some effort of our own. The government shouldn't need to step into our personal lives if we would simply take more responsibility for ourselves. It's a downward spiral. Blame yourself for once, and maybe you'll see the truth. Start making a difference on your own without depending on others to make change on your behalf since you're not happy with the changes others are making to your world. Is it that complicated? Really? Listen to yourself each time you want to complain. Then figure out whom you should complain to about not being able to listen to yourself. Become your best friend.....or your worst enemy. The choice is now. I figure that door will be closing soon.
Truth may be hard to swallow....but nobody said anything in life would be easy.
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Ram Rod, that should be a Sticky.
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For those that are interested here is a link to an article about several of the recent shooting, by recent I mean in say the last 10 years, never checked the dates, anyway those shooters were either on, or just stopping using psychotropic drugs for depression, heck there are warnings on these drugs that if you just stop taking them you may have feelings of depression, or suicide, why are these people not monitored better?! And why is the mainstream media not talking about this stuff, and better yet how do we make sure our reps know about it before they vote on any gun legislation.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:22 PM
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:54 PM
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You want to know what? It all comes down to responsibility. I could care less about a video that might say what I mean. That won't even come close to putting things in perspective. Thing is.....we always ask why....or how? We are all responsible in one way or another. For ignoring sick individuals, for denying proper education, for not saying something we should at the time. For not being more active instead of reactive. Point fingers all you want.....ask questions....place blame. Deep down each and every one of us is ultimately responsible in some way. Denial stands in the way of rehabilitation. We make the world we live in plain and simple. We can also change what's happening if we care and devote some effort of our own. The government shouldn't need to step into our personal lives if we would simply take more responsibility for ourselves. It's a downward spiral. Blame yourself for once, and maybe you'll see the truth. Start making a difference on your own without depending on others to make change on your behalf since you're not happy with the changes others are making to your world. Is it that complicated? Really? Listen to yourself each time you want to complain. Then figure out whom you should complain to about not being able to listen to yourself. Become your best friend.....or your worst enemy. The choice is now. I figure that door will be closing soon.
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Ummm, NO.

You can take responsibility for these sickening crimes if you want. I will not. At all.

You can invite the gov't to restrict you because of your irresponsible behavior. I have none and will not accept such restriction...at least not without quite a ruckus. Working with like minded people, I do not plan to lose my Rights.

A very small number of people had any contact with these killers or had any chance to stop their crimes. To say this is everyone's fault is pure equivocation.

We can try to straighten out our country's culture. Rest assured though, that others will be pushing it in the same sick direction it is heading. In the end, all that we truly control is ourselves. And that is exactly what we are responsible for.
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For those that are interested here is a link to an article about several of the recent shooting, by recent I mean in say the last 10 years, never checked the dates, anyway those shooters were either on, or just stopping using psychotropic drugs for depression, heck there are warnings on these drugs that if you just stop taking them you may have feelings of depression, or suicide, why are these people not monitored better?! And why is the mainstream media not talking about this stuff, and better yet how do we make sure our reps know about it before they vote on any gun legislation.
Anyway here is the link for those who are interested in reading it.
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Ding ding ding ding ding ding.... we have a winner!

The media (and our elected represenatives too) are too dependent on advertising revenue from the companies that make the drugs. That is why you don't read about it.
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And the "doctors" prescribing these drugs may soon get to decide if you and I are fit to own firearms.

That is my biggest problem with mental health requirements for gun ownership. Mental Health seems to be as much art as science. Also heavy on the trial and error. Any standards are vague enough that virtually anyone could be declared unfit.

An acquaintance has been declared ADHD since youth and bi-polar too I believe. Now an adult and trying to function but in a job where the doc has to approve him. She jacked his meds around and really had him messed up. He was not allowed another doctor or any input on his treatment. Finally his wife put him in the "nervous hospital" out of desperation. I was not too sure that this was a smart move but they did totally rethink his medication and he seems to be doing much better. Not sure what he is on but I think I'll share this article with her.
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Thanks for taking the time to make the video... the only thing is that video games haven't been definitively shown to have any link to violent crime like that. The one thing that *has* been shown is that the people who do these things are invariably mentally ill... either undetected prior to or in a number of cases detected but not acted upon.

The problem with just cutting off anyone who is mentally ill is that what happens is the mentally ill person who desired guns greatly then just hides it as best they can and then they snap later on. Gun owners become afraid to visit councilors or other mental health professionals for fear of getting put on a list and getting their guns taken away.

It's a very complex issue.
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