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Old 01-09-2013, 11:43 AM
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“The president is going to act,” said Biden, who is conducting meetings all week on gun control. “There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet, but we're compiling it all.”
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:51 PM
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No Executive Order trumps the Constitution, and would be shot down on its first trip to federal court. Also, Executive Orders must be constitutional to have any value as law whatsoever. The last four words of the Second read, "...shall not be infringed." That means that EVERY word-- and ALL words-- in the Amendment are NOT subject to argument. The pathetic argument put forth by the Left that guns are for hunting only is as flimsy as the many impossible and unsustainable promises made to us, for example, by a Kenyan Marxist.

The men who lead our nation in its infancy knew that any attempt to reduce the Right of the People to defend their lives, families, homes, property and nation from all enemies foreign and Democrat would well lead to tyranny and the destruction of America. This is why the Second is so definitive in the requirement that this Freedom "shall not be infringed." If such a Right could be regulated, be discussed and subsequently be apportioned to one group versus another, then there is an avenue for the destruction of Americans' Freedom, and by extension, for the country itself...
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:30 PM
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I doubt that O'Bama will attack the 2nd through executive order because he is smart enough to know that not even he can make that happen. But I do believe that there are enough men without souls or conviction in government (now) that they will happily aid and abet the Grand Master and his sock-puppet Joe in the repeal or re-writing of the 2nd - all legal and proper-like. It's the same country it always was, but the people in it are vastly different.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:48 PM
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Biden is famous for shooting off his mouth. This is one I'd wait to see before panicking.

Unlike legislation, you pretty much have to wait for it to be published, anyway, before you can do anything.

Neither the president nor the vp will care what voters think in their second term. Yet another mistake by gun owners not to realize that....
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Don't forget that Lincoln freed the slaves by Executive Order. He had no such authority but did it anyways. At the time, he was called a Tyrant by many Americans.

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Neither the president nor the vp will care what voters think in their second term. Yet another mistake by gun owners not to realize that....

We do however have the upcoming congressional elections that can make a tremendous difference, they may in fact be even as important or more so than the last Presidential election.
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Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation after the Civil War was already being fought. Obama making an executive order limiting a constitutional right may precipitate a civil war.
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I'm afraid this is not just a case of blowhard biden shooting his mouth off this time unfortunately. The pres has made it clear now he intends to take matters into his own hands because he knows the congress will not back anything even close to what he wants to do. This is getting some good coverage by Fox tonight. obummer may not get all that he'd like to (like a third term (yet) or a crown, whichever he can get his hands on first), but he will pass far worse laws than what he could if he did as he should and went by the will of the people and passed the laws through the congress. IIRC, he has passed more executive orders than any other presiden by far, and in a shorter time frame. Seems he likes to do everything more, faster, than any other president, and that includes ruining the greatest country to ever exist on the face of God's green earth.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:13 PM
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We do however have the upcoming congressional elections that can make a tremendous difference, they may in fact be even as important or more so than the last Presidential election.
Agreed, but only as long as we can actually get people on ourr side to agree for a change and get off their lazy fannies to vote this time.

I'm sure obummer is planning on doing all he can to make the repubs look bad via the press so that the libs can take over congress for the last two years of his reign (of terror). Hopefully that backfires and we get the senate too.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:20 PM
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TR is correct. this guy is just like Lincoln, 'what constitution?'
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:24 PM
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only problem I see is a lot of the current congress and senators are getting pretty old and don't really care if they are re-elected.
Obummer is infamous for his late Friday night order signings so watch out every sat. morn.
I still say no one will have the courage to challange him and if they do courts will take 4.5 years to hear it.

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Old 01-09-2013, 02:25 PM
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While watching the news just now I had to roll my eyes so hard I think I damaged one.
obammy's commision a on gun crimes/violence consists of all liberals. What's worse is that holder is one of the main people involved. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:32 PM
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No Executive Order trumps the Constitution, and would be shot down on its first trip to federal court. Also, Executive Orders must be constitutional to have any value as law whatsoever. The last four words of the Second read, "...shall not be infringed." That means that EVERY word-- and ALL words-- in the Amendment are NOT subject to argument. The pathetic argument put forth by the Left that guns are for hunting only is as flimsy as the many impossible and unsustainable promises made to us, for example, by a Kenyan Marxist.

The men who lead our nation in its infancy knew that any attempt to reduce the Right of the People to defend their lives, families, homes, property and nation from all enemies foreign and Democrat would well lead to tyranny and the destruction of America. This is why the Second is so definitive in the requirement that this Freedom "shall not be infringed." If such a Right could be regulated, be discussed and subsequently be apportioned to one group versus another, then there is an avenue for the destruction of Americans' Freedom, and by extension, for the country itself...
I hear what your saying and agree whole heartedly. However, we also have a Supreme Court that tromps all over the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I don't trust anyone anymore to uphold anything except their paycheck......or whatever they can collect under the table. Not all....but we do have some politicians and those sitting in high places that would sell their own mothers soul to the devil for a buck so would think nothing of profiting on violating our coutries freedoms. Graft and corruption is rampant in all levels of government, and where corruption is found...it's all for sale guys.
Regarding the 2nd Amendment.....the decision makers will be convinced or paid off by Big Brother to attempt to make us believe that....yes the 2nd amendment grants us the right to own and bear arms, but it does not specifically say "what KIND AND TYPES of arms". And this will be there loop hole.
Once we start down this road, and it may take several years and a few more highly publicized tragedies, but eventually we will be regulated down to only a slighshot.........if were lucky. And even this will have to be registered and with an annual $200.00 fee.
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Don't forget that Lincoln freed the slaves by Executive Order. He had no such authority but did it anyways. At the time, he was called a Tyrant by many Americans.

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I will be the first to admit that I don't understand the entire constitution but was owning slaves a constitutional right?
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While watching the news just now I had to roll my eyes so hard I think I damaged one.
obammy's commision a on gun crimes/violence consists of all liberals. What's worse is that holder is one of the main people involved. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

With all due respect. Did you expect anything less. Fair and unbiased commission?? Soon as Bloomberg or Holder's name popped up..................
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Obama will issue executive orders affecting guns. He and Biden and their Democrat supporters know fully well that such orders will be challenged and possibly struck down...maybe years from now. What does it accomplish? It siphons money from 2nd A supporters to fight these issues via NRA, SAF, GOA; money that then can't support conservative candidates in 2014. That's the true goal, but if they get some EO's to stand, all the better, for them. It's not their money fighting these battles, it's 'the peoples' money, and most of it being consumed will be from the conservative side.
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Interesting. Astute. Sure sounds plausible. I certainly would have never thought of it that way. Good eye, Shawn.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:46 PM
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Obama will issue executive orders affecting guns. He and Biden and their Democrat supporters know fully well that such orders will be challenged and possibly struck down...maybe years from now. What does it accomplish? It siphons money from 2nd A supporters to fight these issues via NRA, SAF, GOA; money that then can't support conservative candidates in 2014. That's the true goal, but if they get some EO's to stand, all the better, for them. It's not their money fighting these battles, it's 'the peoples' money, and most of it being consumed will be from the conservative side.
Yep, see post #9 I posted above. I've been preaching very similar stuff to those who will listen. The fiscal cliff, the 2A issue, both are designed to help the libs make repubs look bad now, early on before the election so that they can have the entire congress in 2014.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:49 PM
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With all due respect. Did you expect anything less. Fair and unbiased commission?? Soon as Bloomberg or Holder's name popped up..................
No of course not. It just shows that obama is a huge liar. After the elction he claimed he would work with ANYONE or EVERYONE to get things done this time around. Mmm Mm, Looks promising......................................... .........
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Yep, see post #9 I posted above. I've been preaching very similar stuff to those who will listen. The fiscal cliff, the 2A issue, both are designed to help the libs make repubs look bad now, early on before the election so that they can have the entire congress in 2014.
Yes, I missed that AmericanMade. Yours was concise, but really saying the same thing. Interesting.
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