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Old 09-15-2011, 11:16 AM
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I rencently broke my 3 piece brass cleaning rod, and I plan to order a couple 1 piece rods in a couple months, but in the mean time I plan to use an inexpesive 3 piece aluminum rod from Outers. Is aluminum any harder on barrels than stainless or brass rods?
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:44 PM
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The rod itself isn't hard on barrels, but the gunk left on the rod (if not cleaned) is what wears on the bore. The old 3-piece aluminum rod that came with the Hoppe's and Outer's cleaning kits used to be my mainstay when first shooting. As soon as I learned the benefits of one-piece rods, I now have quite a selection hanging on the wall in various diameters and lengths to fit whatever it is that's being cleaned. Life is so much better now!
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:53 PM
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Right. Just keep it clean till you get a replacement.
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Don't buy another aluminum rod. Should do fine until you get a good one though.

I hope you just don't even need that one. I'd rather pull a string with a patch myself. I guess you will make do with what you have. Good for you Savage Hunter! I'd do the same.

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Old 09-16-2011, 12:44 PM
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It depends what you prefer

I have aluminum cleaning rods, brass rods and plastic coated one piece rods. The critical thing is to wipe the rods frequently to keep them clean and to prevent bore damage. All will work fine, just keep them clean. Take care...
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:15 PM
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. . . in the mean time I plan to use an inexpensive 3 piece aluminum rod from Outers. Is aluminum any harder on barrels than stainless or brass rods?
As the others have advised: keep the aluminum and brass rod clean and you will have no problems. The same goes for stainless but here I would suggest using a bore guide. Of the three rods discussed, stainless is the hardest and could be potentially the most damaging on barrels.

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Old 09-21-2011, 02:06 PM
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I agree

Keep the rods clean and be sensible in using them. All the best...
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Old 09-21-2011, 05:24 PM
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Can use a stick or a string if needed. Just need to know how to use it really.

Goal is to clean the bore without turning a rifle into a shotgun.

I'm fine with less expencive tools as long as the operater is up to snuff. Just need to be mindfull of what a rifle bore does and what cleaning tools can do to it.

My (your) rifle. Treat it as you choose? As expencive as rifles are, I recomend that we choose wisely!

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Old 01-16-2013, 06:23 PM
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I use the following one piece coated rod on my 22s and it works well ... even comes with a nice little muzzle guide cone which most do not have ...


Kleenbore Gun Care One Piece 33-Inch Cleaning Rod (.22-.45 Caliber)
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On a Mohs scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being hard as diamond and your barrel being an 8 your rod would be 2.5 and chances of the rod hurting the barrel are moot. Scrub away. I like my Tipton cleaning rod, bit pricey but good.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:18 AM
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I like aluminum rods!!! Have made good $$$ drilling stuck ones out of barrels. Aluminum bends easily an picks up abrasive grit nicely further damaging your bore, We make our own here from long steel rods of correct diameter, drilled and tapped for brush or jag and fitted with generous free turning handles with threaded nut retainers. Some may be 20+ years old and will still be in operation long after i've turned to dust. Cost was about 1,50 in materials each and about 15 minutes of machine time.

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Oxidized aluminum is VERY hard. It's a poor choice for making a cleaning rod. Get a one piece like a Tipton or similar and use a bore guide.
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The hardest alloy of aluminum is 7075 and depending on how it is tempered is used for machine parts but it is still considerably softer than steel. There isn't a cleaning rod or boresnake in existence that cannot pick up debris and introduce it into the barrel of your gun, It behooves you to pay attention and wipe down or clean whatever you use for gun cleaning.

Over 50 years of cleaning guns and I have never seen a cleaning rod break off and have to be drilled out of a gun barrel. break yes but get stuck, no. Brushes stuck, boresnakes stuck, bullets stuck but cleaning rod. That story sounds like a fish story where the big one got away.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:41 AM
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Over 50 years of cleaning guns and I have never seen a cleaning rod break off and have to be drilled out of a gun barrel. break yes but get stuck, no. Brushes stuck, boresnakes stuck, bullets stuck but cleaning rod. That story sounds like a fish story where the big one got away.[/QUOTE]

Should have said most that come in have an poorly cut patch wedging the rod in place. Bare rod, on its own, rarely a problem unless user rams wrong size in. Most User jams are from patched aluminum sectioned rod (or patch over brush). User gets rod stuck in place and then proceeds to attempt to drive it out with another rod wedging one or both tightly. The aluminum rods expand when hammered and and drilling with a sleeved drill is usually necessary if a close fitting steel rod doesnt work. Even then some bore damage may have already been done depending on how much they beat on it from both ends.

Some are too far gone (bulged/bent/ corrosion) and not worth repair

Some rifles seemed too have been plugged intentionally either to deactivate them or someone playing muzzleloader.

Hal Sharon (sharon barrels) used to tell be all about barrel jams. Removed the darndest things over his life but sectioned aluminum rods were at top of his hate list.

As for cleaning guns think the new full length ultra sonic cleaners seems the way to go with big commercial operations. And may help loosen stuck stuff.


Thought I'd add this tidbit. There is a proposal to to have gunsmiths run background checks on guns brought in for repair and charge customer for it . If that passes that will pretty much end business for most shops here in CA. and itr will spread.

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Old 01-20-2013, 10:10 AM
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Old Grump= 100% correct.

Aluminum rods are fine. Never damage a bore, if used properly; but any rod material will harm a bore if used improperly..

They are so much softer than your barrel/bore, that if you are using a non-coated cleaning rod, aluminum is the best material.
Steel rods are not good, especially if you clean from the muzzle (10-22, 94, 336, M1A,etc)

I have lots of rods, but the Dewey coated is the best in my opinion on my target guns.
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I don't use aluminum because they flex too much when pushing a tight patch through the barrel, and while they may not hurt the barrel, I still don't like the idea of bowing out and banging against the rifling. I will stick with my one piece, coated, stainless steel rods and a good, properly fited rod guide.

I had a bullet stick in a barrel one time from a bad load, but never had something even close to being stuck while cleaning one.

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Aluminium oxide is used for its hardness and strength. It is widely used as an abrasive, including as a much less expensive substitute for industrial diamond. Many types of sandpaper use aluminium oxide crystals. In addition, its low heat retention and low specific heat make it widely used in grinding operations, particularly cutoff tools.
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Aluminium oxide is used for its hardness and strength. It is widely used as an abrasive, including as a much less expensive substitute for industrial diamond. Many types of sandpaper use aluminium oxide crystals. In addition, its low heat retention and low specific heat make it widely used in grinding operations, particularly cutoff tools.
You are talking about Corundum and no cleaning rod ever gets close to that level of hardness. The reason it can be used as an abrasive is it is harder than all but the hardest steel because it is in a stable crystalline form. The aluminum for cleaning rods is extruded then coated which is why it is flexible. Not even close to being an abrasive.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:54 AM
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He might be referring to what happens when a sectionaliised rod breaks off in bore. Break usually occurs right at threaded joint leaving a threaded piece in stuck rod. Trying to ram it out with incorrect rod causes broken off piece to jam in rod like a round peg in a pre drilled hole. Often repeated poundings work harden and abrade this area. Worse is the results of repeated attempts to shoot it out with lead ammo. All the force hits the jam and usually a bulge occurs. Seen it all from torching the barrel (to melt rod) to jamming a coathanger. Nice .22 schueutzen rile was ruined this way. All could have been avoided with proper rod , brush and patch -- and a little common sense

Ever read the old account of someone trying to use a series of steell nails in lieu of a brush and getting them all stuck?
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