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Old 03-05-2007, 03:25 PM
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I have a Browning Bar from 1991 and it is the Bar I or just plain Bar I believe. Anyways it doesn't seem to want to eject the shell all the way. This is after a thorough cleaning of the whole gun, with special care taken on the gas system.

There seems to be a bulge in my cartridges about a 1/4 inch up from the rim of the cartridge. Could this be causing the lack of recoil to go back far enough to eject the shell? The empty cartridge will run into the new shell that is supposed to be loaded into the barrel. The new shell is at about a 45 degree angle, when the spent cartridge comes forward and hits the new shell.

If I take out the brand new factory magazine and load them one at a time, shells still occasionally get pinched in the bolt system, so the empty shell is sticking out of the gun sideways with the bolt coming forward and grabbing it before it has a chance to eject. I understand the fixed port on this gun, but I took it all apart and cleaned it, including the gas port that goes into the inside of the barrell. I then oiled according to the owners manual.

This happens with factory federal 150, or Remington CorelokT in 130 or 150 grain.

Anybody have any ideas on what I should be looking for?

I don't think it's coming back far enough, but when you run the action by hand it seems fine, so I suspect it is in the gas system somewhere, but I everything looks clean and operational to me.
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:45 PM
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You should be looking for a gunsmith who is familiar with this model. Call the company and ask if there is a factory authorized smith in your area. They may want you to send the gun in to them. This sort of failure is too complicated to diagnose via the Internet. Many causes could be responsible for what you describe.
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Old 03-06-2007, 08:47 AM
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What caliber is the gun? I'd try running rounds with bullets on the heavy side (ie, 165 and up for a 30-06).. Extra recoil/barrel time maybe needed to completely cycle the bolt.

good luck

Nate
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:32 PM
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Thanks for the advice everyone.
I can't believe that I forgot to put down the caliber. Anyways, it's a 270.

I don't think there's a bigger bullet then a 150 for me, around here anyways. It seemed to do it about the same whether I was using 130 or 150. I've also heard that the lighter the bullet, the more poder, so the heavier the bullet the less powder, so basically you'd be running the same pressures. Whether or not that's true I have no idea.

Maybe some hotloads would fix my problem, and hopefully not rearrange my face. LOL

Really, I wouldn't try anything that wasn't safe like that. I have taken the gun to a local gunsmith who seems to think a good cleaning will take care of the problem, and I've already cleaned it, so I don't know what to think. In the military almost 30 years ago, I use to have to clean M16's, and M60's to perfection. So I know what a good cleaning is. I give all my guns that treatment, every now and then.

Sure was glad when they made me a truck driver, so I didn't have to lug that M60 around in the field.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:15 PM
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Hi: just reading old posts: bored if I'm honest. I have a BAR in 270, a beautiful gun that did the same thing that you describe. After two trips to the gunsmith where he soaked the gas tube and piston with " Break Free' and freed it up it worked for a while but then the same thing.
I got fed up and dismantled the gun and thoroughly cleaned the gas tube with break free and a cleaning rod with jewellers rouge on the swab and took my dremel with a small cotton wheel with jewelers rouge and polished the piston, reassembled the gun and to this day it has not occurred again.
Hope this helps
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:24 PM
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Sorry,
I almost forgot about this thread until I got a e-mail saying somebody responded. I apologize I didn't get back to this thread with the fix. I replaced the cap that has the hole in it, and put a new spring in it. I also made sure the piston was in the right rotation to make sure that the pin that makes it stay straight wasn't rubbing on the piston. After I cleaned it and replaced that cap that was made for the 270, it works great. I have run many rounds through it since then, looking for the magic bullet. I am currently using hornady 150's with 58 grains of powder. I can't remember the number of the hornady's right off hand, but I can get the occasional quarter size group with these rounds. The overall length I use is just long enough to work in the magazine.

The guy from bar thought that the hole wasn't large enough from carboning up, and the spring was weak. He thought that the gun was actually cycling to fast. Well it turned out he was right. I replaced those two parts, and it works great.
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