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Old 04-04-2007, 08:52 PM
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Good article in the latest Machinist's Workshop comparing several popular rust penetrator products.

Don't remember which of the commercial products did best..... but a homemade remedy topped them all.

50% acetone and 50% ATF (automatic transmission fluid, no, I don't know which flavor) had something like half of the effort of the next best commercial product, and about 10% of the effort of using nothing at all.

Interesting.....
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I have used straight tranny fluid before(due to not having anything else) and found that it worked on nuts and bolts.

There are two bolts on a particular model of car that I must remove frequently. They are exposed to road splash. More often than not, they will snap the head off. Tried WD-40 alone. It helps. Will still have to fight the bolt for it's entire lengh. I learned that if I apply WD-40 and let it soak abit. Then apply oil and wait abit. Bolt comes out much easier!
I suspect the oil follows the penetrant into the threads? Oil alone might work if given much more time to work.

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The best "stuff" I have found to date is "Rust Buster" from O'Reilly's auto store. Spray on, wait a half hour and take the bolt or what-have you off. I've never read the label, but it is "reddish" in color (may have ATF fluid in it). Opps, I'm sorry, you said "home made". Riley

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Any idea if this will eat blueing???
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:52 AM
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Thanks for the tip Mike, I've got some acetone and tranny fluid and lots of rusty bolts on the little hardtop Suzuki Samari I'm working on now. I'm going to make some up in the morning as I've just ran out of the last two spray cans of WD 40.

I'm in the process of doing a spring over conversion and then the little sixty hp 1300 cc four banger and five speed tranny is being replaced with a 4.3 liter Chev fuel injected V-6 and four speed overdrive auto trans.
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:18 PM
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Hope Santa brought you an impact wrench !

I wonder how that combination will work, if the parts aren't being dunked in it. Acetone is pretty volatile.

Let us know how that works out.
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Old 04-07-2007, 03:58 PM
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P B Blaster

Thats some of the best rust remover - for getting rusted bolts and nuts loose.

Just that the Acetone in P B Blaster will eat most rubbers and plastics.
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Old 04-07-2007, 05:02 PM
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Got the magazine out of the truck.

WD 40 was the worst, cutting effort in half approximately, vs. no penetrating oil. It should be noted that any penetrating oil was much better than none.

PB Blaster was second worst.

Liquid Wrench was second best of the commercial products.

Kroil was the best commercial product, but still had twice the effort of the homemade stuff.

It's in the April / May issue of Machinist's Workshop, Voume 20, Number 2.
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I agree with them on "WD-40 being the worst". That stuff doesn't seem to do anything real well. I will do alot of things half way though. Kinda like me in that regard!

Kroil is good stuff! Is expensive though. The color suggests that it might have something similar to tranny fluid in it? The "smell test" escapes me. Is that accetone?

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You should be able to figure out the ingredients for any of the commercial products from the material data safety sheet or whatever those things are called.
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Well I've got a pint mixed up and am putting it in one of the little 3 in 1 oil cans and keep the metal can I mixed it in sealed. I was afraid to put it in a plastic spray bottle. With the acetone I thought it might just eat the bottle up. As I work on my two project vehicles I'll let you know how it works.

I'm currently building a hardtop Suzuki with a 4.3 liter Chev V-6 and the four speed chev overdrive tranny and I've got an old Dodge short wheelbase half ton thats getting a set of 3/4 ton axles and basically the whole drive line from a 2/3 ton pickup. All these rigs are older rigs and lots of rusted bolts. This should be a good test of this home made rust buster.
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Can't wait to hear how it works for you, Bob.

Picked up a can of Liquid Wrench for the times that an aerosol spray will be handy. Hard to believe it's less than PB and per the article, twice as effective!

I like Kroil for little parts .... but it's pricey and hurts in the wallet when you have to slather on a bunch.
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I like this idea MikeG. I will try it. Must accuire accetone. My post#2 to your thread explains a "two step" process that works for me. I would prefer a "one step", like everyone else.

A mechanic taught me the value of transmission fluid for freeing a stuck nut/bolt years ago. I do not recall if it was Dexron I, II, III, or IIII? May not have been Dexron rated at all?

Tranny fluid is already a "thin, slippery liquid". Perhaps has some accetone in it already?

Mixed 50/50 (like your magizine suggests), may thin it enough to allow it to "wick" into the threads better than the other stuff tested?

Liquid Wrench, WD-40, Panther Piss, Kroil,Slick 50, Nutbuster. I a'm sure I missed several. They all work to some degree!

It is good that someone checked it out.

Thanks for the good thread.

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Good article in the latest Machinist's Workshop comparing several popular rust penetrator products.

Don't remember which of the commercial products did best..... but a homemade remedy topped them all.

50% acetone and 50% ATF (automatic transmission fluid, no, I don't know which flavor) had something like half of the effort of the next best commercial product, and about 10% of the effort of using nothing at all.

Interesting.....
Sounds a whole lot like Ed's Red, doesn't it, Mike? Author's last name wasn't Harris, was it?

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Credited to Lloyd Bender. No, I don't know if he's related!

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I "made" time to work on this one. A "needed" trip to Wal-Mart yielded a quart of acetone to play with.

I already had a quart of Dexron II.

I mixed 50 ml. of each into a glass flask, corked, and mixed.

Looked at it about a 1/2 hour later. I "see"

#1 Pink acetone on top.

#2 A "fuzzy pink line " near the 50 ml. line on my flask.

#3 Dark pink on the bottom.

I have NOT tried this mix on a rusty part as of yet?

All I can say at this time is; "Shake well before using". They do not mix! My good wife has a picture on her camera.

None of this "takes anything away" from the question of "how it works?"

Me thinks that acetone and rubber corks do not mix? Mine has expanded?


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wonder how it would work to loosen lead out of a barrel
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The best thing to do w/ penetrant on a bolt is to loosen it some w/ the oil on it & then reverse and tighten it some to help the penetrant wick up into the threads...I also have used 'neculear grade' anti sieze [70% nickle] good from -250F to +2600F. I've used it to keep exhaust pipes from rusting to each other & been able to open the muffler clamps using a hand rachet!
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I have not tried the stuff "real world" yet. Can't seem to locate a rusty bolt when I need one.

I now have another batch that is 50/50 acetone/Marvel Myystery Oil. The results "look" similar.

The dividing line between the accetone and tranny fluid and Marvel is not sharp like oil/water. There is near 1/4" of a "pink fuzzy area. I did not see any reaction when they were mixed.

JB. I'm not ready to try it on a gun barrel yet. I haven't seen any reason to believe it would harm one though?

Kampcool. I agree with your technique. "If you can't move them loose, move them tight. Must make them move"! I replaced the muffler on my "76" Olds 3 times and used the same clamps ! I miss that car! 340cu with a 4 barrel. It weighed more than my current truck!

This thread is about "homemade rust penetrators". I am just posting my results.
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I found a use for the stuff. It was "time" for the kid's swingset to "go away"! Rusty fasteners all. Allen head on one end, flat blade on the other? I could not move them on the first try so I put "the stuff" to work while I mowed the grass. Gave it a good shake and used the "dump method" of aplication.
It worked! And it worked well! It all came apart just fine. No broken fasteners. Is about 12 years old sitting in the elements. Kids are done with it. I was tired of mowing around it. Win-win and win!

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