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Old 09-07-2009, 10:40 AM
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A friend has a stuck live cartridge in the chamber of his bolt action .30-06. He is unable to afford the services of a gun smith. He has asked me for help. My thought is to use a rod to tap the bullet into the case and fill the barrel with oil to foul the powder. I would let it set for about a week with oil in the case before trying to punch the case out with a brass rod. I would use a penetrating oil so as to both kill the powder/primer and lube the case.
Would this work? Any other ideas.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:23 PM
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If you can find a way to rig it with what you have availble. Can use a high presure grease gun to force the cartridge out.

One more tip: Don't do this in the house!

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Old 09-07-2009, 01:22 PM
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Is there not a way to shoot the round? I mean, IF the bolt will close maybe you can shoot it and then get it out.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:05 PM
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If it's really tight, I guess you've already bumped it a little, fill the barrel with 30 weight. Get a dowel that fits tight, wrap a rag around the muzzle in case a little oil puffs out, put the stock or action in a bucket and knock it out.
Same hydraulic principle as Cheezywan but maybe faster...and less messy?
OH, and like he said, don't do it in the house, it's going to splatter.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:18 PM
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Thanks guys. I just wanted to make sure my thinking was not way off base. The bolt will not close all the way so, firing the round is not an option. I don't want to beat on the bolt handle. He told me it was out of action for a couple months. I think I'll try tapping the bullet into the case and then filling the barrel with a fine oil. I will take the action out of the stock. I think (hope) two weeks of oil soaking will disable the powder and primer. I'll wreck an old cleaning rod to knock the round out. It's the least I can do to help a friend.
I've done this before. I just hoped some one had an easier faster way.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:28 PM
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I'd tap on the bolt handle a little. Won't close, won't open, what kind of rifle is this? Now you know, if there is the slightest chance of firing pin protrusion and you hit the bullet against the bolt face, you could lose some goody parts. I guess you are sure the bolt will cam open enough to clear the lugs?
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:45 PM
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If the bolt is in a position to where you won;t tap on it, then it's hanging on to the cartridge. That means it's closed, at least partially. I've had this happen (albeit NOT with a live round). I would put the rifle in a shooting rest or vise and, using a rubber mallet or an axe handle wrapped with a towel, tap the bolt rearward. Tap it out of there. If the extractor breaks, then it breaks.

Like Lumberjack said "Won;t close, won;t open". Is the bolt still closed? Tap it out on the bolt handle then.

If the bolt won;t close and it won;t open, there isn;t any amount of down the barrel work (pneumatic or otherwise) that will get it open. The bolt is closed, unless I'm misreading.

IF the bolt will come open but the cartridge is still in the chamber, then even after filling the barrel with oil and letting it sit, there might still be the danger of detonation (except maybe not with the pneumatic solutions). Imagine tapping a dowel down there until the bullet goes into the case. Then the bullet is compressing the powder and the powder is being forced into the backside of the primer. I don;t know how that would fire or not, but you wouldn;t want to be anywhere near that rifle if the round went off....... soaked bullet or not. I've read where guys have got primers wet and oily and they still functioned. There was a thread on this a few months ago I believe.
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Tom, I had this happen to me a month or two ago. A 30-06 round (fired) and the bolt wouldn;t open. After much fiddling and force, I finally got the bolt handle up, but it still wouldn;t slide rearward, with or without the case. Now, I couldn;t get the bolt handle back down! So...... the bolt wasn;t closed....but it wasn;t open either. Is that your friend's situation?

So I had to decide.... do I tap the bolt handle rearward? What if I break the extractor? ...or some other part of the bolt?

Well, at this point, the entire rifle is "broke". Everthing in it is broken, so what does it matter if I break the extractor? I MUST get that case out. So I tapped on it with a short axe handle that another fellow at the range had in his truck. Tap, tap, tap.... it moved back ever so slowly, pulling the damaged case with it. After about 5 or 6 light taps, it was out. No damage to anything, and to nobody, thank God.
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danger of detonation. The the bullet is compressing the powder and the powder is being forced into the backside of the primer.
Never heard of anyone blowing one up but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Have no idea what it would take to set one off backwards but that would mean there is a risk just getting the bullet pushed back far enough for oil to soak in on a dense load.
Lookin more like a job for the wife....Honey, come beat on this while I cook dinner. Any woman will fall for the free dinner idea.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:01 AM
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The problem is fixed. I had not seen the rifle when I first posted. My friend was a bit confused or I asked my questions the wrong way. The rifle was a Remington 760. I could see the bolt was not fully in battery. I picked up a screwdriver and put it between the bolt lug and the receiver. It popped open with very little pressure. The cartridge was a reload. I stripped and reloaded the round for him. He inherited the rifle from his grandad. He had it in his closet several years before his passing. My friend had it in his closet for about twenty years. So, for twenty to twenty five years the rifle had not been cleaned. The outside finish is very rough. Lots of rust. I rubbed it down with steel wool and gave it a good cleaning. I think I'll try to buy it from him. I have levers, bolt and auto loading rifles but no pump. I may get a good deal if he is just going to let it set and rust.
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I had to use a small base die for my 760 in 308. Some rifles have a tighter chamber and the slide doesnt have the same power to cam the bolt shut as a turnbolt rifle has.
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I don't think I've ever heard of anyone accusing a 760 of a tight chamber, but there is always a first time.

I have one and the freebore on it is astounding. Even so shoots very very well.

Between the reload and the chamber probably full of dust and/or rust, it was a foregone conclusion to a stuck cartridge for your friend.

The 760 stock design leaves much to be desired. It is one of the easiest guns to get scope eye. Don't get me wrong I love mine in .308, sorta wish I had another one in 270 even though ain't much difference 'tween the 2.

Great handling gun for woods work though and easy on the follow up shots for sure.

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Old 10-02-2009, 06:06 PM
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Is there not a way to shoot the round? I mean, IF the bolt will close maybe you can shoot it and then get it out.
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Thanks guys. I just wanted to make sure my thinking was not way off base. The bolt will not close all the way so, firing the round is not an option. I don't want to beat on the bolt handle. He told me it was out of action for a couple months. I think I'll try tapping the bullet into the case and then filling the barrel with a fine oil. I will take the action out of the stock. I think (hope) two weeks of oil soaking will disable the powder and primer. I'll wreck an old cleaning rod to knock the round out. It's the least I can do to help a friend.
I've done this before. I just hoped some one had an easier faster way.
So how is the oil going to soak into the round? You got a hole or we just to do the waiting and seeing? Easier faster vs safer? Getting the round to fire is the faster. Disarming/disabling the powder/primer is safer. What would a gun smith do? I thought Brownells sold a tool for this. Back in the day you would go to your shooting spot remove the bolt and hammer the round forward with a larger metal rod and make if fire the round then beat it out from the muzzle end with another bar. The gun was clamped in a vice of course. That is neither very safe or very fast! Buy the tool!
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:31 PM
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and the gunsmith says

Do not put anything down the bore, the barrel needs to be removed then a shellholder mounted in a slide hammer can be used to carefully remove the stuck cartridge, if your not familiar with the process then as recommended above, take it to a gunsmith.

Are you surprised? Yes? No?
Hey safety first right? You need to resolve some variables like primer and powder. I have seen the wack in smack that Everett mentioned. Just because it's done don't make it right. It' 50 bucks at the local gunsmith to remove it. Is your life worth 50 bucks! I'd say yes. If you can't pony up the 50 bucks your better off walking away! Your only dead once!!!
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