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Old 07-09-2011, 04:05 PM
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I was shooting some reloads today and I had a case head seperate and leave the case stuck in the chamber. I sure don;t know how to get it out!



Here is the first cartridge of that group of five. It almost seperated!


These loads were 37.6gr IMR4064 with Wolf primers. A very mild load. The brass is on its fourth firing.

Any ideas on why? And....ideas as to how i can get the stuck case out?
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:16 PM
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Stop full length resizing. Resize the fired case just enough to get it to go back into the chamber and no more. What is happening is that the case is being sized slightly small for the chamber and it is being blown out each time it is fired. Add to that the slighly "springy" nature of the 99 as well. This reduction/expansion lengthens the case...so it gets thin at the web and eventually seperates.

Even with that advice, I'd not expect super long case life (and i'd pull the loads you do have made up and start over with new brass).

Can't get to the breech end of a 99 barrel easily. Squirt penetrating oil all around the chamber and stuck case and let it sit for an hour. Buy a 45cal brass pistol bore brush (the pistol type are shorter). Drop a threaded cleaning rod down the barrel. Thread the brush onto the rod. Pull it back into the case, then reverse and push. Will ruin the brush by reversing it in the case, but it should push it out. (no damage to the chamber this way, the brush is inside the stumb of the case).

If that doesn't work, they do make broken shell extractors.

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Old 07-09-2011, 06:30 PM
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Good advice.
Sometimes they will come out with a stiff brush down the bore of the correct size.
Some cartridges tend to drive forward when they separate - the 218 Bee for example. These tapered cases tend to drive forward and are stuck tight.
If the case will not come out with a stiff brush, get some cero safe and cast the chamber. Push the cast and the case out together.
If your case is a 308 Winchester Brownells has the broken shell extractor.
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Old 07-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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Thank you both. I wouldn't have thought of using a .45 or same-size brush. Mine is a 300 Savage, by the way. IF I need it, wouldn't the 308 extractor work?

Ribbonstone, I don;t have a collet neck die for this cartridge. How do I adjust a full-length die to size it "just enough"? Is it trial and error - a little at a time until it just slips in the chamber?

I'll tear down the remaining loads and I guess order some more brass for down the road. Thanks again fellows.

Any other ideas or suggestions are, of course, welcome. I'm sure I'm going to need some advice getting fired cases sized just right.
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Old 07-09-2011, 08:33 PM
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I got the case out with Kroil and a standard size .30 caliber brush. Thank you.
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Trial and error.
Start with a fiured case.
UNSCREW the sizing die out ofn the press 2 full turns.
Size case, try in chamber.
Keep turning the die down 1/8-1/4 turn at a time until it will chamber and FULLY lock up the lever.

Try 5 cases sized this way (and you may want to trim them, as 99's tend to let cases grow...that thin part of the case where it seperated? the brass MIGRATED to the neck, it din't just evaporate.)
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:48 PM
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No, you're right, it didn;t evaporate. I noticed, Ribbonstone, that I was trimming quite a bit after each firing and resizing. But I didn;t put 2 and 2 together.

I'll try experimenting with the die. Thank you for the advice!
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Glad that cured the case problem.

I'm old and cautious and tend to stop using brass for full loads after the 2nd trim (if they reached max length).
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It's not uncomon for some old lever Guns to havee a generous Chamber . If you are trimming every firing I would toss them after the second trim , third firing . Listen to you Rifle , it's telling you something !
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On an old design rifle like that, I'd be real tempted to forgo "smooth cycling" a little. If the rounds chamber hard because they wern't sized enough, so be it.

So long as the difficult chambering is due to case sizing only! NO PUTTING THE BULLET INTO THE LANDS here.

I "partial size" with a full-length die here quite abit for my Winchester 94 chambered 30-30. Don't move the shoulder at all. Just most of the neck, and probably some body taper get touched.

I can tell/feel just a little resistance as the action closes. I get very good case life that way (posted here about 50+ reload cycles some time ago?).

Chuck Conners used factory ammunition supplied by someone else. His rifle went full-automatic somehow? Mine does not. Satisfied with my slower rate of fire though. I can be accurate enough for the range of the cartridge/rifle.

Al Gore would be proud of my re-cycling brass for a greener planet as well. Win Win for all.

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This is a Monte Carlo Model 99, not necessarily an old rifle, or I am an old guy who lusted after one when they were new….
I have worked quite a bit with a Model 99 in 358 Winchester and I loaded it all out. My case life was good.
I don’t lock my dies down but never seemed to have any trouble setting them up for just full-length sizing and not setting the shoulders back. I had good case life with the late production Model 99A.
The Model 99 is a hunting rifle and must function smoothly to my thinking. I would work on die adjustment a little before giving up on smooth functioning.
I have loaded the 300 Savage some and found it a bit of a challenge to keep oil dents of the shoulder when I started with the cartridge.
I am very interested in seeing your posts on this rifle. Seattlerdwarrior - Eric, Maroontoad - Snow and I are all shooting similar rifles - 307 Winchester, 308 Marlin Express and a 307 Winchester Improved - the Levermaximum. I really want to you to be a part of the threads when we get started shooting this fall. It’s too hot for Eric and I to spend much time at the range and we are playing with the small game cartridges at the moment. Snow is trying to hunt a bit and he is playing with the 356 Winchester now.
Don’t get discouraged, I want to discuss actions and cock on closing feel and 300 Savage performances with you.
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