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Old 01-13-2013, 01:34 PM
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Ok, this is my first post here. Have been wanting to join forever but never got around to it. I have been doing a lot of research on this because I would love to "build" a Win. M70 in a .250 Savage as my first custom rifle. My one prob. is I picked up a used M70 in .243 which i thought would work great but now I am seeing there is alot of space in that short action for a .243 and the .250 is even shorter. Now i am leaning toward a WSM or a Rem. model 7. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:55 PM
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A standard caliber short action will work fine. I personally built a 250 from a 243 with a e.r. shaw barrel on a Savage 10. It was a barrel changNot sure about the mauser type actions e with no other issues. It shoots like a dream. Using a wsm or rsaum rifle will entail a change in bolt as the case head dimensions are different. Not sure about the mauser type actions whether it would just be an extractor change.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:56 PM
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Well, there's only .11 inches different between the case length and about .19 inches difference on COL. Are you going to re-chamber and re-bore or re-barrel ? I'm not positive but I would think the magazine on the 243 might not work with the WSM catridges, all the measurements of a WSM case are quite a big bigger than the 243 Win, plus the 243 rim diameter is .473 vs the WSM's being .535 so the bolt face would be a problem. Also you might have to widen the receiver for the WSM to fit in at all. A rifle chambered in 22-250 I would think would be okay since the 250-3000 case is it's parent case and it is just necked down to accept the .224 diameter bullets of the 22-250. Welcome to the forum All Outdoors, this is a great forum for hunters, shooters, loaders, etc. All of the guys here are very helpful and there is a wealth of knowledge.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:31 PM
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The Winchester short actions are actually longer than the short action Remingtons.

Personally, I'd get the Remington model 7 action if weight was a factor in your build. If not, I'd look at the Marlin XS-7 action. A complete new rifle is only about $325 and the actions are very good. They are quite popular and will offer a lower cost reciever than most others. the money saved could be used for the stock, barrel, scope, etc.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:33 PM
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I see nothing wrong with building your 250 on the 243 rifle. The magazine could be stuffed to limit length if needed, however I wouldn't think it would be neccessary. The bolt face and feed rails should work as is. You would be dealing with a new barrel needing chambered, extractor cut?, head spacing and bluing. All together just that amount of work will probably run more than a Marlin XS7 but can't get them in a .250 Savage. I like the idea of a M70 in .250! Best wishes to you and let us know what you decide.
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It's a little known fact, but the .250 Savage is one of the most efficient rounds there is. I love the idea of one in a Model 70. I'll envy you once you get it done!
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:23 AM
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Welcome to Shooter's Forum, AllOutdors.

If you're really that concerned about the 250 Savage being too short, why not see if you can go the other direction and chamber your new barrel to 257 Roberts? If you really want to have fun, AI it and you'll be getting close to 25-'06 performance, but still from a short action round.

If you can't, I don't think the 250 Savage is going to be TOO short to function properly. What does your gunsmith have to say about that?
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:45 AM
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Thanks for all the replys. I should have been a little more specific in the details. I wanted to build a .250 Savage on a Winchester M70 featherweight action because I love the look of the gun and love the caliber. However, in finding the action is so over so oversized for the Savage case I have been rethinking everything. I can still build the gun of my dreams on the M70 action and deal with the excess space (I can seat some large bullets way out there). Or was thinking bout using the Rem. Model 7 action or a WSM action to continue the build of the .250 savage(if possible). Of course then I started reading into ballistics a little deeper and now I am lost as to what cartridge I want to use. Was looking into .25 souper because I am a quarter bore nut and the .260. So confused now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Or just tell me I'm crazy, I hear that alot. Thanks again in advance!!!
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I'm also a quarter bore nut. Much as I've consider the .25 Souper, think I'd rather go .007" bigger and swing with the .260. At least you could buy rifles, factory ammo, dies and brass without the headaches. The difference in performance would be miniscule.

Still like your original idea of a .250 Savage built on a M70 Featherweight.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:55 PM
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I wanted to build a .250 Savage on a Winchester M70 featherweight action because I love the look of the gun and love the caliber. However, in finding the action is so over so oversized for the Savage case I have been rethinking everything.
Methinks you've been spec'n out a M70 long action, when you should be looking for a M70 Short action.

I never knew there were two action lengths, always thinking the short cartridge's magazines just used a filler block - but got educated when I bought a used FW stock to pop onto a Standard M70 that had a broken stock, and found out the front/rear action screw holes didn't align.

In my case, I was fortunate in that the guy I bought the FW stock from had a few lying around, so I could exchange mine for one with the correct hole spacing/inletting.


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Old 01-15-2013, 01:47 PM
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Any of the short action calibers (22-250,243,260,7mm-08,308 etc.) can be rebarreled to 250 savage with no ill effects or special loads. A wsm cannot be rebarreled to 250 Savage without changing bolts and/or extractor also
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Rngr44 and Duane nailed it. A short action M70 will be perfect for your .250-3000!
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:35 AM
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Not all manufacturers make short actions. They just adjust the bolt stop and box the mag well a little.

You can put the 250 savage (a great round) into that M7o action. Yes, it will be long but will work, and the bolt throw and mag can be easily fixed to fit. Winchester m70 since intro duced are not real short actions, justmodified long actions. A Remington Short action, IS a real short action..so a model 700 SA or a Rem 7 woould be perfect.

To avoid having to buy and fit a new bolt, do not get an WSM, the bolt face si way to large and will not work to extract the 250. A 243, or a 223 size bolt face will work. You can always increase the bolt face, but you can't decrease it.

Except for the weight and the extra inch or so the action you have will work.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:31 PM
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If you're worried about filling up the magazine just load your bullets farther out and make sure your gunsmith chambers and throats accordingly - you absolutely do not need to stick to SAAMI standard length - both my 250's are loaded/throated long.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:41 PM
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I've got a M70 short action in .22-250. Isn't the .22-250 based on the .250-3000 savage?
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I've got a M70 short action in .22-250. Isn't the .22-250 based on the .250-3000 savage?
Yes it is. It's the 250 Savage necked down.
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Hi AllOutdoors.22,

You don't say what you want to use your 250/3000 for. If you want it for deer hunting you might be better off going with the 257 Roberts. It will allow you to use heavier bullets and is a better all around cartridge.

Besides, the 250/3000 would be more appropriate in a Savage lever or their Model 20 bolt action. These are the guns that the 250/3000 Savage was sold in historically. The Savage model 20 was a nice basic Mauser action that was chambered in the 250/3000 and 300 Savage. The action was sized for these cartridges.

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Old 03-09-2013, 11:57 AM
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There were a few old Model 70's made in 250 Savage. But most were re-chambered into 25-06's or such. This may speak volumes, unless you want to go with a really slow twist barrel. With the 250 Ack. Imp. it was important to use the 300 Sav. magazine spool in your M-99 Savage rifle. It will be a nuisance, but maybe the better brass will be from re-formed American 22-250 cases. The 22-250 Rem is different from the 250 Savage, so there are 6BX's which use shortened 243 Win. chambers that head space the 22-250 Rem cases, necked up with a tapered expander button. A twenty five caliber version will be even more re forming, needed to get into the higher quality 22-250 Rem cases.

The 257 Rem Roberts chamber and factory cases, are a much more modern way to fly.
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Hopefully AllOutdoors, you are not listening to all this stuff about going to a different caliber. The .250 Savage is the near perfect light deer and antelope round IMO. It is very flat shooting without being overbored. Build your .250 Savage, rifled with the twist you want, and just get a few hundred empty unfired cases from Midway and dont worry about all this reforming noise.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:55 PM
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Bird Dog, the forming stuff doesn't bother the action does. Its such a perfect cartridge for a short action, which the M70 action is not. So to that end I am now looking for a Model 7 action to build my .250 and will use my M70 for either a .260 or .257Roberts. It is just a shame Winchester never made a true short action M70 as I think they are such a great action. Thanks for all the feed back!
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