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Old 01-15-2013, 07:59 AM
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Anyone used JES Rifle Reboring? I contacted them yesterday about reboring my Ruger M77 30-06 to 35 Whelen and the owner seemed knowledgable and the price he quoted me was way more attractive than buying another rifle.

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Why am I thinking about doing this? 1)Because I've had this rifle since 1979 (bought new) and I'm bored with 30-06 and always been attracted to bigger bore rifles. Guess I read too much Elmer Keith in my younger days (that's not a bad thing is it???). 2)I also like the idea of being able to make plinking loads out of 357 mag bullets (this rules out the 338-06, another fine option in itself). 3)I can't afford to buy another entire rifle. And 4)I like this Ruger and want to keep it.

If I could find the time to hunt, I'd use the rifle for whitetail deer and hogs. Yes, I realize I don't need a 35 Whelen to kill either of those critters, especially in the short range hunting that the Georgia woods afford. You use what you have when you can't afford "specialty guns" not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Old 01-15-2013, 10:38 AM
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I'm also open to susggestions of other calibers, i.e. at least .35 or bigger that I can easily switch my 30-06 to. I do reload and have plenty of '06 brass. One more thing, whatever I go to, I'll be loading for standard pressures. I'd like to keep the shoulder abuse to standard 30-06 level.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:05 PM
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I think the .35 Whelen is an excellent choice. I've owned five rifles in .35 Whelen over the years and still have two at this time and considering doing just as you have mentioned to one of my '06s. I recommended JES to another forum member here and he had a BLR take-down rebored from .308 to .338 Fed. I will not speak for him, but I believe he was very satisfied with the work by JES on his BLR. Again, I don't mean to speak for him, but that's the impression I got after he posted here following having that work done.

There are a lot of fans of the .338/06 as well, but I decided to stick with the Whelen, even after having a rifle I owned rebarreled to .338/06. Should you want to, even occassionally shoot factory ammo, the Whelen has a lot more and a lot less expensive options available for it.

JES does a lot of work on Marlins and I've not heard a bad report about his work on the Marlin Owners Forums, ever.
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I'd go .35 Whelen as well. Jesse rebored my model 94 to 35-30/30 and I could not be happier with his work. Best bargain in the gun world in my opinion. I know guys on another forum who are up into the double digits of rifles he has done for them. ALWAYS with the highest praise.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:46 PM
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I had Jesse punch my Marlin 30A 30-30 out to 356 Winchester, was only a week turn around, but Jesse is only about 30 miles from me,, I haven't shot it yet?, I got frustrated after talking to Hodgdon about loads, that was a WASTE! of ten minuets of my life!?
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:35 AM
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Jesse re bored an old Glenfield 30/30 I picked up to .356, it will now out shoot many bolt guns. I couldn't have been happier with the work he did.

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Old 01-16-2013, 07:11 AM
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Jesse re bored an old Glenfield 30/30 I picked up to .356, it will now out shoot many bolt guns. I couldn't have been happier with the work he did.

Finally someone posted pics! Did he also shorten the magazine tube? Also, is the rim size on the 30-30 the same as 356?
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"Also, is the rim size on the 30-30 the same as 356?"

The rim size is the same as the 30-30. The .356 is basically a rimmed version of the .358 Win made to have performance very close to the .358 Win in a rifle with a tube magazine. In factory Winchester loads, using 200gr bullets, the .356 muzzle velocity runs less than 50 FPS behind the great .358 Win. It's a great cartridge and can give a hunter performance in a rebored Marlin 30-30 nearly on the same level as a hunter using factory Winchester ammo in a BLR, especially if you used the 200gr FTX originally designed for the .35 Rem. Of course, the Marlin 336 action cannot withstand really hot loads like the BLR's stronger action can, but the .356 is a great cartridge in factory form or loaded to approximate factory specs.

Below is a pair of original Marlin 336ERs in .356 Win. Both have worked very well for me for deer hunting.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:55 AM
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Taco, rifle was a Glenfield Model 30A, so came with the shorter magazine tube.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:14 AM
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Taco, rifle was a Glenfield Model 30A, so came with the shorter magazine tube.
Got it, thanks. Nice groups too!
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Dear Taco,

The 356 BB is a semi rimmed number. It sports the 30 WCF rim behind the 308 Win. case body. But look at the big extractor groove. Win. engineers thickened things up around the case head because of this extra wide groove and the rear locking M-94 BB rifles. Interestingly, my top ejector Post 64, Model 94 carbine will extract and eject this case just fine. If someone here wants this in a top ejector or angle eject (non BB), the old Post 64 extractor will work O.K. It won't work with the flanged 444 Marlin or the Hornady 444 Lever Evo cases. But any wildcat using this case as a parent, will work if the bullets are the correct O.A.L.

But there is a safety concern here. The largest ( 44 cal. ) will require the mag tube to be influenced towards the loading gate. This skews the bottom cartridge in the tube mag. and if you aren't careful, you might load a small meplate to where it bears, canted, on the primer above in the next cartridge. Marlin does the same thing in their M 1895's, and you have to be careful with the meplates on those 45-70's too.

In the winchester carbines, you merely need the two guide rails and the carrier from the BB page in the Browning parts microfische page, at Arnold, Mo. to make these BB cases cycle. Influencing the mag tube to help large caliber bullets make the turn into it, is the only scratch G.S. work here. The three parts I mentioned, will just drop in.

These bottle necked BB cartridges only head space on their rims. Getting rid of the shoulder solves the excessive depth of the chambers there. But both the 307BB and the 356BB, have 300 Savage capacities. They are smaller than the 308 win. and the 358 Win Mag..

A generic 308 Hornady sleeve seater ( New Dimension) or maybe a Lee factory crimp die would crimp bullets with only neck sizing the cases. Otherwise you will push your shoulders back some 0.043" every time you F.L. resize your cases. This works just like the WWI Ross rifle's oversized 303 Brit. chambers. Accuracy sucks until you work around this design problem.

But having said this, there has been a real following for the 307's in Northern Minnesota. These rifles put White Tails down in the brush, right now. Your light loads in the Marlin, split the differences between the Marlin 35 Rem. and the Win. Model 94 BB in 356. Most folks would hand load their 356's down anyway, even in the heavier barreled 356 BB carbines.

The Seven M.M. Shooting Times Easterner works around the shoulder problem in another way. But except for the factory BB carbines, all you have in these Marlins and Winnies, are 3/4 inch threaded barrel shanks. The shank on a Winchester BB carbine is nearly an inch in diameter, with the receiver being skeletonized, around the breech end of the barrel.

I can't speak for those factory 375 BB's and 356 BB's in the Marlin carbines, as I've never handled one. But the loads you show, must be close to the ragged edge in any normal Marlin Lever Action Carbine.

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