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Old 09-13-2008, 12:25 PM
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Need .357 Magnum loads for Hornady 180-grain HP/XTP


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This is Hornady product #35771. I'd like to load some accurate rounds for my S&W 686, 6-inch barrel. Does anyone have favorite recipes they've shot with this combination? If so, I'd be interested in hearing about them and how they perform in your handgun.

It's not likely that anyone is still using Norma R-123 powder these days, but if by chance someone happens to be doing so, that might be my first choice. Otherwise I have the usual old standby selection available: 2400, Unique, 4227, and Red Dot.

Look forward to hearing about your experience with this bullet, regardless of the gun.
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Old 09-13-2008, 02:10 PM
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That's a nice bullet. I don't have a good load to share with you, but I will warn you that Remington brass doesn't like those long bullets. The 180 grain bullets reach down to the point where the case walls start to get thicker. We buckled several cases before we figured out what was happening. Starline brass worked great.

Oh, and sadly, H4227 seems to have been discontinued.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:27 PM
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Yupp! Is a nice bullet. Kinda spendy too! I'd work with your 2400 and 4227 to find a load if were me. They might punch paper good with your other powders, but the bullet won't go to full potetial until driven hard in your good 6 inch barrel.

I think is false economy to spend money on a good bullet and try to make it back with a small powder charge. I'd take the time to prep your cases well too. All the same as you can make them. Bullet "pull" and crimp are going to make a difference worth paying attention to.

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Old 11-12-2008, 05:07 PM
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Try 15-16.o gr. Hodgdon 'Lil gun.
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Old 11-12-2008, 06:01 PM
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I've been using 13.5 grains of H110 with Winchester magnum primers behind both the Hornady 180 XTP, and the bulk Remington 180 JHP that was probably designed for the .357 Max. Both shoot well out of both my Security Six revolvers, and my Winchester Legacy carbine in .357 Mag.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:51 AM
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` Hornady lists 12.6 gr 2400 as a max for 1150 fps,12.8gr 4227 max for 1050 fps,13.7gr win 296 for 1100 fps.Best source for load data is from the manufacturer.Happy shootin
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There was an article in American Rifleman a few years ago on the subject of how different components affect accuracy in a .357.
Their revolver was a 686 and the 'control' load was 14.0g of H4227 with Winchester small pistol primers, and using the 180gr XTP. Looking in the Hornady manual I found they are listing something like 12.3g as max load using H4227, so I'd use the 14.0g with a bit of caution. I've shot that load myself without any signs of excessive pressure, but it was hot.
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:27 PM
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I like 13.5 grains of H110/W296 behind that bullet, use new or once fired brass with that load. 12.0 grains of 2400 will give you less recoil and noise and still get you 1100 FPS.

I'm shooting this through a Ruger GP100 6" Barrel.
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:35 PM
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Now I know why my remington brass buckled. What does Hornady list as the max load for H110? 13.5 gr with a mag primer?

Thanks for the information.

Looks like I'll be ordering more brass.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:03 PM
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Yes, 13.5 grains is the max load for the XTP. I'm shooting 15.0 grains of H110 behind a Cast Performance 180 WFNGC.
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Old 11-22-2008, 05:02 PM
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I like 13.5 grains of H110/W296 behind that bullet, use new or once fired brass with that load. 12.0 grains of 2400 will give you less recoil and noise and still get you 1100 FPS.

I'm shooting this through a Ruger GP100 6" Barrel.
Matt, im getting the same sort of performance with the same 12 gr load of 2400 in my GP100 as well.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:27 PM
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QuickLOAD thinks 12 grains of Norma 123 will roughly mimic the performance of 12 grains of 2400. It shows lower peak pressure and better burning. Should be a good choice.
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:32 AM
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I can't get any of the Norma or VihtaVuori powders here, and they are a lot more expensive anyway, $50 for a pound of powder is something I just won't pay. $20/pound is bad enough!
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:30 AM
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$50 a pound? Yikes! You must be shopping in the wrong place. Powder Valley has some Norma powders (no 123, unfortunately) and all but one are listed at $19/lb. Their VV powders are running about $23/lb. Graf & Sons runs about $2 more for either. I think maybe you have the 2 lb containers of VV confused with the newer 1 lb containers?
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Old 11-23-2008, 12:29 PM
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Well $19 a pound, plus $8 shipping, plus $20 hazmat fee... sure seems pretty spendy to me.

A few places here do have a couple of the VV powders, but they are $30+ per pound, just not worth it to me.
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