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Old 01-25-2009, 04:08 PM
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I was looking at an H@R premier auto ejecting revolver in .32 S&W. Since the patent is 1898 I am not sure if this is a blackpowder cartridge or not. The caliber marking is on the left side. Is this cartridge obsolete? I was thinking this looked like a pistol you would see in an old gangster movie but it is older than that. The barrel breaks open behind the rear sight and it is a tip up loader from the turn of the century. I mean the turn of the last century.
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Old 01-25-2009, 04:42 PM
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You can still get factory ammo for this caliber. It started as a BP round, which is how I load mine, but the factory loads are mild smokeless loads since there are older firearms still out there that are shootable. Don't confuse it with the .32 H&R magnum!

It's a fun cartridge to shoot!
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Old 01-25-2009, 04:56 PM
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Post a picture if you get a chance and we’ll help you identify it. Love those 32’s.
I believe the load was 9.0 grains of black powder and an 85 grain bullet.
The 32 S&W is easy to load for and fun to shoot. Read Ken Waters Pet Loads article on the cartridge and guns.fficeffice" />>>
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Old 01-25-2009, 05:38 PM
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.32 S&W can be very accurate and great fun to shoot. In the right revolver, the .32 can make a nice close-range small game alternative to the .22. I like the .32 S&W Long even better in this role. Either can give you lots of cheap shooting.
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Old 01-25-2009, 06:00 PM
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@Bullseye,

The H&R Premier was made from the late 1890s until just before WWII. There are no factory records so placing date of production much closer is really iffy.

FWIW, and many make this mistake, patent dates have absolutely nothing to do with date of manufacture except to place it somewhere after that date. It merely indicates when a patent was issued for a specific feature utilized in that particular forearm. To take this to an extreme, all moderm cartridge revolvers are still using the feature protected by the Rollin White patent which dates to 1857 or so. It would be prefectly correct to stamp any revolver with that patent date even if made in 2009. That patent protected the feature of a bored-through cylinder which makes cartridge revolvers practical.

The great majority of revolvers chambered for .32 S&W were of the top-break design which is nowhere near so strong as a solid frame revolver. The only exceptions I recall were such as the Allen & Wheelock, U S Arms, and others from the 1870s to early 1900s which typically required removal of the cylinder to load. Most of these were of lower quality than the top-breaks. Because of this all currently loaded .32 S&W ammunition is loaded by the factories to be safe in these old types of revolvers.

As mentioned by belle, be sure you get .32 S&W, NOT .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Magnum. Due to the design of many of these old guns the charge holes are bored straight through instead of having a reduced front end which is properly referred to as the "Ball seat". Because of this, if the cylinder is long enough, they will accept the longer cartridge, which would likely damage the gun. Honestly this will probably not be a problem with the Premier as the cylinder probably isn't that long.

Pictures would be nice!!!!!!!!! I have a .22 Premier of about 90% condition. Really cute, but hard to hit anything smaller than a bucket at more than a few feet. I think it really shoots well, I have only fired a few rounds, but between the fine sights, old eyes and questionable sights it shoots about a foot high at 15' or so.
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Old 01-25-2009, 06:36 PM
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Not to hijack the thread...just to illustrate a Premier. That one is in .22 and has a 5" barrel. Buddy used it as a "tackle box" gun for many years, loaded with .22CB caps to discourage snakes that got interested in his stringer of perch.


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Old 06-07-2009, 05:56 AM
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You can still get factory ammo for this caliber. It started as a BP round, which is how I load mine, but the factory loads are mild smokeless loads since there are older firearms still out there that are shootable. Don't confuse it with the .32 H&R magnum!

It's a fun cartridge to shoot!
Belle, I understand that you load 32 S&W cart in black powder, what powder and dies and bullets do you use? I have an Iver Johnson 32 S&W 3" pocket pistol Break open on top that I would like to shoot. I know that I can get fact load cart for this gun, but I think B P would be more fun to shoot. I Have a picture of it but I can't figure out how to get it on the page.
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You can still get factory ammo for this caliber. It started as a BP round, which is how I load mine, but the factory loads are mild smokeless loads since there are older firearms still out there that are shootable. Don't confuse it with the .32 H&R magnum!

It's a fun cartridge to shoot!
Belle, I understand that you load 32 S&W cart in black powder, what powder and dies and bullets do you use? I have an Iver Johnson 32 S&W 3" pocket pistol Break open on top that I would like to shoot. I know that I can get fact load cart for this gun, but I think B P would be more fun to shoot. I Have a picture of it but I can't figure out how to get it on the page.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:48 AM
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The 32 S&W cartridge fired an 85 grain bullet at 632 fps from a 4Ē barrel for about 75 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
The standard load was 9.0 grains of black powder, I donít know which grade of powder was used but I would imagine fffg.
The later smokeless loads equaled the 632 fps muzzle velocity.
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I have a Iver Johnson top break that I shoot this Magtech ammo in it and it very shoots well.
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I just today retrieved from a closet a 32 S&W topbreak that belonged to my father-in-law, who passed before I even met my wife of 25 years. It came to me from her mom shortly before she passed. There is a box of 32 Auto ammo with it -- I am suspicious of its interchangeability, although it seems to chamber fine.

Anyone know about this?
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:03 AM
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It can be fired in modern guns but I would not fire it in a topbreak revolver.
I remember Ken Waters reporting a fine S&W topbreak being ruined with handloads which while mild were too warm for the old revolvers lock work.
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Interesting -- with the gun was also a few loose rounds -- 4 32 S&W rounds and 4 32 Auto rounds. Appears someone was mixing them. I won't.

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I've got a Hopkins and Allen, top break, 5 shot .32S&W Police Safty. This revolver probably had not fired more than a box of ammunition through it before I bought it for a song. Someone had been dryfiring it and broke the firing pin. I had a Smith make a new pin and it was good to go. Boy, what a sweet shooting gun it is too.
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:23 PM
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32 S&w

I had many of those guns and fired 32 acp.I load for 32 and 38 S&W.
the guns were very common in my day.colts and smiths were expensive.a lot of the inexpensive guns were in 32 rim such as the spur trigger guns I am rebuilding a S&W break spur trigger now.
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Old 11-26-2009, 06:00 PM
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Update.

Picked up a box of 32 S&W ammo and put one cylinder through it. shot ok, but didn't advance to next cylider correctly a couple times. Timing problem I guess. Will look at it this weekend and may go looking for a smith....
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Belated update. Seems to be a broken trigger return spring. Don't know a smith here who would fix that.... just a keepsake until I find somebody.
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I have a Forehand and Wadsworth .32 S&W revolver, a solid frame as opposed to a top break. I load nine grains of FFFg and an 85 grain bullet. I punch out a cardboard wad from a milk carton and place it between the bullet and the powder.
I do not size the cases. I seat and crimp the bullets using a .32 ACP seating die.
One of these days, I'll get around to buying proper dies.


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Belated update. Seems to be a broken trigger return spring. Don't know a smith here who would fix that.... just a keepsake until I find somebody.
These are very simple guns. You could probably make a spring and install it yourself. Schematics are available from Numrich Arms.

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