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Old 03-19-2009, 01:13 PM
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Need help with load data for .40 cal S&W


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I'm new to this forum and did not get any hits with my last question. Let's hope for better luck this time! I am looking for a load recipe for a 40 cal S&W for my Glock 23. I would prefer medium burn and medium pressure since I am looking to load practice rounds. I have Starline brass and Rainier 165 gr Leadsafe copper jacketed bullets (all new, no reloads for me with this weapon). I have bunches of reloading manuals as we have been reloading other ammo for a number of years, but have had no luck finding a good recipe. Our rifle loads can't be beat by anything we have seen so far. The Glock is new to me and is my personal self-defense weapon as I do quite a bit of traveling alone. By the way, are there any other females out there who like to hunt, shoot and reload??? Look forward to hearing from you!
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Old 03-19-2009, 02:02 PM
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Welcome to the forum. If you're looking for the 'magic load' that will have perfect functioning and accuracy from the get-go, I'm afraid you are in for a bit of disappointment. Best advice I can give you is to pick a few that will meet your velocity goals with the components you can easily obtain, and start from there.

In my experience, the brand of bullet seems to make more of a difference than anything else for handgun accuracy, and that's just something that is pretty well impossible to predict in advance.

Reliable functioning seems to be a combination of bullet profile, overall length, and chamber pressure. Hopefully you won't have any issues with that, usually there is a range that autoloaders will tolerate with respect to those three factors.

I'd certainly suggest staying with jacketed bullets for your Glock.

I know this is all rather vague but half of the adventure in handloading is figuring out what works for you, in your gun, for your needs.

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Old 03-20-2009, 03:46 AM
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40 S&W load data....

Because of legal concerns factory ammo is normally recommended for defensive loads. If you do choose to roll your own I would use a powder with low muzzle flash. This can be a lifesaver, literally. I have found Hodgdon Universal to have less muzzle flash then anything I have tested. It is also a good choice for loading most bullet weights in the 40. My own "Full power" load is 7.0 grns of Universal with the speer 155 Gold Dots. This is the max load in the latest speer manual but has worked fine in my gun, a FNP-40. Unless your Glock has a fully supported chamber (I understand some of the newer glocks do) I would not shoot full power or max loads. I have found Universal, as the name implies, to be a very versatile and clean burning powder useful in many handgun cartridges. Good luck with your shooting....
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:49 AM
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I load 5.4 grns of Universal Clays under a 180 grn bullet. Not hot and good shooter. 1300 rounds from a pound of powder too.

I trust that load for all my 40's. I better, I just loaded 2500 rounds for practice and SD.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:31 PM
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VihtaVuori has load data for 165 grain bullets, and I have used it with good results. It is available right on their web site:

http://www.vihtavuori-lapua.com/
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:36 PM
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I don't load for the 40 but I do load for the 45, and have for over 30 yrs. It has always been my preference to load something that is comfortable and similar to factory specs, i.e. MilSpec. Its probably a mute point but I buy commercial stuff labeled for personal defense to keep in my gun except for practice. A lawyer once told me not to use hollow points either, but I do.

I don't do much experimenting with pistol loads but if I see high pressure signs or the load is uncomfortable, I will either lessen the load or change to something else.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:17 PM
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I use copper plated bullets for plinking ammo in my Glock. Keeps you from using lead in it, but is usually cheaper than a true jacketed bullet. I also keep my loads pretty light for practice to help minimize stress on the cases.
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Old 04-10-2009, 01:23 PM
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.40 165 Grain loads

If you haven't, try Power Pistol with the 165 gr. Rainiers - in my pistol, 6.1 grains yields 980 fps with very low Standard Deviation. Nice, accurate, mild shooter that duplicates the mid-range "FBI Lite Load" which will produce less recoil than the the heavy 180 gr. loads and snappy 155 gr loads. Of course, the old addage to start low and work up is prudent for your own handgun. Power Pistol seems to be well suited for the .40 S&W in my experience, providing good powder volume and reasonably clean, but some others will mention excessive muzzle flash (haven't noticed this - I generally shoot during daylight hours).
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Welcome to the forum. If you're looking for the 'magic load' that will have perfect functioning and accuracy from the get-go, I'm afraid you are in for a bit of disappointment. Best advice I can give you is to pick a few that will meet your velocity goals with the components you can easily obtain, and start from there.

In my experience, the brand of bullet seems to make more of a difference than anything else for handgun accuracy, and that's just something that is pretty well impossible to predict in advance.

Reliable functioning seems to be a combination of bullet profile, overall length, and chamber pressure. Hopefully you won't have any issues with that, usually there is a range that autoloaders will tolerate with respect to those three factors.

I'd certainly suggest staying with jacketed bullets for your Glock.

I know this is all rather vague but half of the adventure in handloading is figuring out what works for you, in your gun, for your needs.

Good luck.....
Doesn't a Glock have a Polygonal Barrel ? I was always told to stay away from Polygonal Barrels with lead and use jacketed only. I too shoot Raineer 165 grn copper Plated Bullets in my 40 but its a Sig with a Normal rifleing type barrel and the raineer is very thin Plateing. I don't know if I'd chance using the Raineer bullets especially in moderate to high velocity loads. Do some research first for everyones safty in your shooting area especially yourself

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Old 11-21-2010, 07:32 AM
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I know that it's not recommended, but I have fired 10's of thousands of rounds of reloads with lead bullets through my Glock 22 and Glock 23 over the past 11 years. All of the reloads were not anywhere near maximum velocity. As long as you keep careful watch for lead buildup and keep the chamber clean, I believe you can get away with it.
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I have been reloading for about 2 years now and i have started reloading 40 s&w i have 155 gr and 180gr bullets with Unique and was looking for a good number of gr to start with and suggestions? thanks
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Welcome to Shooters Forum, KDH.

The best number to start with is the minimum charge in a current reloading manual. If you don't have a current reloading manual, or three, get those first. If you have a specific brand or profile of bullet, you can frequently get load data from the manufacturer or from the company that makes the powder.

As much as I respect the reloading knowledge and experience on this website, I would never trust a singular load recipe from ANY Internet forum source. I trust ballisticians and either the printed word (my preference) or a reputable company's website, with data published, even if it's virtual. Due diligence in researching safe min/max powder charges is part of being a responsible reloader...and this forum, for all its virtues, is not a source for that information.

A copy of Lyman's 49th is in order! Good luck and do let us know how they shoot!
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Welcome to Shooters Forum, KDH.

The best number to start with is the minimum charge in a current reloading manual. If you don't have a current reloading manual, or three, get those first. If you have a specific brand or profile of bullet, you can frequently get load data from the manufacturer or from the company that makes the powder.

As much as I respect the reloading knowledge and experience on this website, I would never trust a singular load recipe from ANY Internet forum source. I trust ballisticians and either the printed word (my preference) or a reputable company's website, with data published, even if it's virtual. Due diligence in researching safe min/max powder charges is part of being a responsible reloader...and this forum, for all its virtues, is not a source for that information.

A copy of Lyman's 49th is in order! Good luck and do let us know how they shoot!
I'm going to second this. I've had *grossly* different load data between two different sources. I had overpressure signs on a .40 S&W carbine (which means it was WAY over pressure) as a result of not checking more than one source. Since then, I always check two or three sources before I settle on a starting load to work up from.

Also, OP, make sure those are *jacketed* bullets and not *plated* bullets. I don't know if Rainier makes jacketed bullets, but I know they make plated. I've been told that plated bullets are also risky in a polygonal rifled barrel, but that they don't cause problems as fast as pure lead. I think the rifling cuts through the plating or something.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:15 PM
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The suggestion to load low and work in excellent. My experience with the Lyman 49th. is that it contains some pretty heavy loads. I've had some pressure indications in 40 S&W and .45 ACP among others. It is a good suggestion to research the load data. Powder manufactures often have websites with maximum charges. Personally, I have used Loaddata for years.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:57 PM
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I like Universal and No.7 in the .40. I like them a lot. Hodgdon will not publish lead data for the .40. And I won't use No.5... call me paranoid. And I'm very wary of what a Glock .40 does to brass... Which is why I shoot XD's

You can find data at Hodgdon's and Accurate's web sites.
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No one has suggested WST. I came into several pounds of it at a sale many years ago and used it primarily in .45 ACP. But then I got a couple of Glock .40's and tried it with both Rainier 165's and Lee cast bullets that come out at about 175 grains. It burns clean, gives me consistent velocity, and doesn't take all that much. I'm not at home at present but babysitting grandkids for a week, so I don't have access to my numbers. I believe I use 4.3 grains WST with the cast bullets and I am around 800-850 fps. I don't recall what i use for the 165 Rainier bullets. I do shoot the cast bullets in an aftermarket barrel, but back when I was shooting the Rainier's exclusively, it was in the factory barrel and I never had a leading problem.

I worked up to the 4.3 loading and didn't go any higher, as that is what Hodgdon says is max for a 180 grain jacketed. It cycles the gun just fine. I have never had a fail to feed with the load.

If you read many of my posts, you will see that I am an advocate for cast bullets in just about everything. I get a kick out of making my own and have had good luck with every caliber I have tried.
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