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Old 03-03-2012, 09:20 AM
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Indiana just legalized the 460S&W for use in a rifle for deer. I was wanting to get a 26" ported barrel for my Encore but the custom shop is closed and has no date to reopen. Will I be losing much performance by settling for a 20" barrel with no porting? Any info on this setup would be great since it is new to myself and anyone in indiana.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:21 AM
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You should be fine shooting with a 20" barrel.
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Welcome to Shooters Forum, Deer460. I think you'll find this is just about the nicest, most knowledgeable gun website on the 'net.

The 460S&W was designed for a pistol-length barrel but it does very well in a carbine or rifle. I have shot a few rounds through my buddy's Ruger #1 in 460 and I'll give you my 2 cents worth on it. His has a 22 or 24" barrel and is fairly heavy, as #1's usually are when they wear a slow-taper barrel. I would guess it at around 8lbs, or so. It still had a pretty stout recoil and muzzle blast.

Another friend of mine down in Texas has a Katahdin barrel on his Encore, also in 460, but he has the muzzle brake. I haven't shot his but he says the kick on it is way less than an '06. But, you don't shoot it unless you have ear plugs AND muffs on!

Bottom line: If you aren't used to heavy recoil, this might not be the gun for you. If 3" slugs out of a 12 gauge don't give you pause, then this will feel like coming home to a warm hug. On the plus side, you'll have 250 yards worth of highly effective range, presuming you get your gun shooting solid groups.

Do come back n' let us know which way you decide to go.

P.S. Check with Mike Bellm on what 460 barrels he might have available. I'd want a 24", if I could get it.

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I think I want a 460 no. 1 (they have a 22" barrel). If gou are looking for custom Encore barrels then look up Bulberry. They wrote the book and can. Build you anthing! http://www.bullberry.com/
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:16 PM
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I have a .45 LC Classic Carbine from H&R and a lot of the guys ream these to .454 or .460 S&W. They are getting a bit rare now, but if you got your hands on one, they are accurate and light. These have a 20" barrel also. Might cost you less than the barrel or if you cannot find one.

This is my hunting set-up with my .45 LC pistol and carbine.

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Old 03-20-2012, 05:52 PM
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Thanks for the advice! Ill check out bullberry since T/C cant get their custom shop together and time is ticking to get plenty of practice in. I can handle the recoil well but was curious if ,other than flinching, the muzzle break affects accurracy. Hearing protection is not a luxury often afforded to us hunting pressured deer in Indiana.And how about the accurracy of the 20" versus the longer barrels like 26"?

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Old 03-23-2012, 03:14 AM
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Thanks for the advice! Ill check out bullberry since T/C cant get their custom shop together and time is ticking to get plenty of practice in. I can handle the recoil well but was curious if ,other than flinching, the muzzle break affects accurracy. Hearing protection is not a luxury often afforded to us hunting pressured deer in Indiana.And how about the accurracy of the 20" versus the longer barrels like 26"?
A quality muzzle brake should not effect accuracy. Military snipers use rifles with muzzle brakes, after all.

Another factor of longer barrels is that .460 S&W is designed to burn in a pistol-length barrel. The bullet might actually start slowing down in longer barrels if it runs out of pressure too soon. I know my .41 Magnum rifle could handle another inch or two, since it still has muzzle flash with the slow-burning powders I use in it. It has a 20" barrel. However, this might be a boon. I've heard plenty of people talk about hotter loads being less accurate because of escaping gases destabilizing the bullet on exit. I don't know if I believe it, but if the pressure's dropped significantly before the bullet leaves the barrel, there should be less of that effect. It would also be quieter and have less recoil if there's no "rocket effect."
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The 460 runs at 65000psi I promise you not run out of pressure I think a 460 In a rifle would be like a hopped up 45-70with a smige smaller bullet very cool please keep us posted if you get it
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A quality muzzle brake should not effect accuracy. Military snipers use rifles with muzzle brakes, after all.

Another factor of longer barrels is that .460 S&W is designed to burn in a pistol-length barrel. The bullet might actually start slowing down in longer barrels if it runs out of pressure too soon. I know my .41 Magnum rifle could handle another inch or two, since it still has muzzle flash with the slow-burning powders I use in it. It has a 20" barrel. However, this might be a boon. I've heard plenty of people talk about hotter loads being less accurate because of escaping gases destabilizing the bullet on exit. I don't know if I believe it, but if the pressure's dropped significantly before the bullet leaves the barrel, there should be less of that effect. It would also be quieter and have less recoil if there's no "rocket effect."
No disrespect, but this assumes facts not in evidence on two points:

1) The 460S&W was originally sold as a pistol cartridge, but I would stop WELL short of claiming it was designed to be fired from a pistol. The case volume and working pressure of this round make it far more comparable to traditional carbine and rifle rounds than the preponderance of pistol rounds that preceded it!

2) Muzzle flash is not necessarily predicated on barrel length or powder burn rate and I strongly disagree with "hotter loads being less accurate". My experience, along with countless others loading for centerfire rifle cartridges, is that best accuracy comes at, or just below, maximum published loads, using a powder that is medium to slow-burning for that cartridge. If you can provide documentation on loads with less pressure being consistently more accurate, I would be very interested to read it.

A 460 S&W rifle or carbine is going to kick like an epileptic mule and make one heckuvalotta noise. No adjustment to powder used, or barrel length, is going to change either of those a whole bunch. With that being said, it's an AWESOME round and a great alternative to the 12 gauge slug guns so many guys use for deer hunting in Indiana. It gives you 50-100 yards more range, without dealing with quite as much recoil.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:16 AM
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No disrespect to the .460...

But have you considered any of the other cartridges? Like some of the wildcat .35 calibers?

BFG Cartridges has barrels for those who don't want to mess with "custom" building a rifle.

My .358 WSSM shoots flatter and recoils less than the .460.

The .460 is good for 200, maybe 250 yards. The .358 WSSM is good for 250, maybe 300 yards, and matches the .358 Win (exceeds the Winchester factory load actually).

The .358 WSM 1.8" is going to meet or exceed the .35 Whelen.

There's also a 1.8" .358 Win called the .358 Hoosier. Get one here: A.J. Brown Arms Co. They had an Encore at the Indy 1500.
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No disrespect, but this assumes facts not in evidence on two points:

1) The 460S&W was originally sold as a pistol cartridge, but I would stop WELL short of claiming it was designed to be fired from a pistol. The case volume and working pressure of this round make it far more comparable to traditional carbine and rifle rounds than the preponderance of pistol rounds that preceded it!

2) Muzzle flash is not necessarily predicted on barrel length or powder burn rate and I strongly disagree with "hotter loads being less accurate". My experience, along with countless others loading for centerfire rifle cartridges, is that best accuracy comes at, or just below, maximum published loads, using a powder that is medium to slow-burning for that cartridge. If you can provide documentation on loads with less pressure being consistently more accurate, I would be very interested to read it.

A 460 S&W rifle or carbine is going to kick like an epileptic mule and make one heckuvalotta noise. No adjustment to powder used, or barrel length, is going to change either of those a whole bunch. With that being said, it's an AWESOME round and a great alternative to the 12 gauge slug guns so many guys use for deer hunting in Indiana. It gives you 50-100 yards more range, without dealing with quite as much recoil.
I agree thanks for taking the time to type this the 460 is an awesome round with a good barrel it would be as accurate as any 45-70 and some shoot them much father than 250 according to my chronograph my 460 at 8 3\8 will push the same 415 gr bullet faster than my 45-70 guide gun at 18

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:56 AM
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I agree thanks for taking the time to type this the 460 is an awesome round with a good barrel it would be as accurate as any 45-70 and some shoot them much father than 250 according to my chronograph my 460 at 8 3\8 will push the same 415 gr bullet faster than my 45-70 guide gun at 18
Oh yeah, you can definitely shoot these guns past 250 yards and know that whatever you hit is going down, for good. It's just that you have to make some major adjustments for trajectory, which I prefer to avoid in a hunting cartridge. When I said they were solid out to 250, I meant with a reasonable point-blank range scope adjustment. Now, my buddy has one of the Burris ballistic plex reticles on his Ruger #1 in 460S&W and he can set the crosshair about 2" high at 100 and use the other two hash marks to hold dead on out to 250, or a little further. Very cool gun.
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Yep, it's the trajectory. If your'e set on the .460, look at the Barnes bullets to better BC.
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Thank you for the idea of looking back to the 35 caliber wildcat cartridges with the new length being introduced. Im still going to try for the 460 do to the factory load issue.(I'm not a reloader) I'm probly gonna just order a katahdin 20" barrel and see what happens .
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My son has an Encore rifle with the 20 in. bl. and it shoots great. The recoil is not bad at all nor is the muzzle jump. A 20 in. bl. is all you need for the 460. It uses magnum pistol powder and it burns completely in that length bl. I wouldn't bother getting a 26 in. bl. for it. You won't really gain anything using a longer bl.
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My son has an Encore rifle with the 20 in. bl. and it shoots great. The recoil is not bad at all nor is the muzzle jump. A 20 in. bl. is all you need for the 460. It uses magnum pistol powder and it burns completely in that length bl. I wouldn't bother getting a 26 in. bl. for it. You won't really gain anything using a longer bl.
I've got a couple buddies with 460 rifles and you would be surprised. Because it has such a large capacity, operates at high pressures and can use heaping helpings of the slowest pistol powders, it will still benefit from that longer barrel. Going from 20" to 26" would probably gain the shooter another 100fps. Now, whether it's worth it for the longer gun is debatable, particularly from a single-shot action which is already pretty short.

I guess it comes down to just how light and handy you want the gun to be. Personally, I will take the heaviest gun possible in a 460, even if that means hauling a 26" barrel around.
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Find me a box magazine that will work for the 460 S&W and I'll try to design you a pumpaction carbine.
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I just went to the Ruger website and found they only make the Ruger #1 in five calibers
and I only think one of them is popular. I dont know how they stay in business ? ? ?

222
6.5-284
7x57
375 H&H
45/70

Where are you guys talking about getting 460 SW barrels ?

Add that price to a new gun... Thats just too much !
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