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Old 11-05-2012, 09:45 PM
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I presently own a 9MM Glock 19 that I use for concealed carry.

I have already been lectured by my fellow gun expert friends that I need to be carrying the ultimate which they claim to be the venerable .45 auto. I tend to agree and I'm in fact in the process of saving up the funds for a .45 auto.

However, in the meantime, until this happens I am using Hornandy Critical Defense cartridges with the 115 gr FTX expanding bullets in my 9MM Glock 19.
My friends laugh and say that this is a dangerously underpowered gun and load and that I may as well be using a BB gun.

I disagree with my friends and welcome your thoughts on the subject.

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Old 11-06-2012, 05:50 AM
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Harkknight,

I carry a M19 Glock stoked with 115 grain Winchester Silvertips. I think your Hornady load is fine for the job. As for your friends, just tell them you will shoot twice or three times, as needed.

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Old 11-06-2012, 06:21 AM
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Ask your friends how many of them are willing to stand downrange, with a catcher's mitt, while you send a few rounds their way.....

While "better" is a subjective term, I don't think most rational folks would stand in front of a 9mm. Carry what you want...... I personally like all cartridges.....

I love my Kimber 1911, but it's about the last thing I would carry every day. Too big and heavy.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:54 AM
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Have you watched You Tuber tnoutdoors9's vids on ammo testing? He tests just about every viable 9mm & 40SW defense load out. He also carries the glock 19 as his concealed carry choice.

Also, I do subscribe in general to the theory that bigger is better when it comes to bullets but I also don't think a 9mm is too little of gun. Try some 124 HP's and some 147 HP's before you settle on load.

I'm a Glock fan but not because of their looks, grip shape or trigger. I like them because they are simple to clean, have very few parts to break (34 total) and they are the most reliable pistol made. I also wear one everyday at work as an LEO (a model 22).
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:10 AM
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You just need new friends...some that are not self ordained experts.

The large frame 45 auto is the poorest excuse for a CONCEALED weapon ever manufactured. Works great for officers and tech types in none conbat roles......opps even those were replaced with an M1 carbine!
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:28 AM
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If you wanna go bigger caliber and still have a somewhat decent sized gun, look at the Model 27 Glock in .40, nice and compact, high capacity, not quite a .45, but dang close.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:34 PM
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ANY quality 9mm ammunition will do well. The Glock, like older Smiths, could feed and fire rocks if they had primers....

The Crit.Def. is what I use in my .40 glock 23.
Speer gold dot.
Corbon
Federal EFMJ
Federal Hydro's
Silvertips
Black talon [ranger] if you can find it.

I personally like the speer Gold dot in my G19.

What ever you choose, whatever weight, make sure you shoot a box of it to see where it prints. different weight will have different POI.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:12 PM
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Thanks guys for the tips and come-backs for the friends.
I will make note of this info.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:57 PM
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A 9mm is more than enough for self defense. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying a .22lr (although even that is very lethal), but when it comes down to a 9mm vs a .45ACP, shot placement is what counts, not the caliber.

Also, a person with a 9mm can probably get 4 shots in the same amount of time it would take a person with a .45ACP to get 3 shots. And that 4th shot may be the one that counts.

Check out the Speer Gold Dots. They have a +P, 124 grain JHP.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:59 PM
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A 9mm is more than enough for self defense. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying a .22lr (although even that is very lethal), but when it comes down to a 9mm vs a .45ACP, shot placement is what counts, not the caliber.

Also, a person with a 9mm can probably get 4 shots in the same amount of time it would take a person with a .45ACP to get 3 shots. And that 4th shot may be the one that counts.

Check out the Speer Gold Dots. They have a +P, 124 grain JHP.
Hey....thanks Alu for the info.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:29 AM
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I use the CorBon 115 grain. Goes 1260 from my G26.

Some people think getting shot with a 9mm will make you feel better. I doubt it.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:31 AM
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Another thing to keep in mind is that with a G19 you can carry 15 rounds, 16 if one is in the chamber. I'm not sure how many rounds the .45 carries (I'm sure it varies) but it's definitely not 16 rounds, unless if using an extended magazine which would be useless for concealed carry.

Shot for shot, the .45 is more lethal than the 9mm, but that's only if you hit your target. And, it's not as easy to hit a target in a life and death situation as it is when you are at the range. I'm not an expert, and I don't want to count on hitting my target with 1 or 2 shots. I would rather have 16 rounds 9mm and you can shoot faster with a 9mm. A 9mm gives you much more room for error.

If a person is an experienced marksmen and they know that they can hit their target in 1 or 2 shots with a .45, then for that person maybe a .45 is a better choice than a 9mm. But for myself (and probably most people), a 9mm would serve better in a life and death situation.

If you miss your first few shots with a 9mm (assuming you are still alive), when you finally hit your target with the 5th or 6th shot, you will neutralize the threat. If you miss your first few shots with a .45, you are pretty much screwed.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:24 AM
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Invisible bullets are the best for concealed carry. I carried a 9mm for a duty weapon for years and never felt outgunned. I prefer the 135 and 147 grain loads at around 1000 fps. Excellent penetration with modest recoil. The only person I saw shot and killed in 22 years of service was shot with a 9mm 147 gr Federal Hydroshock. The bullet entered under the left arm and exited out the right side under the arm. Dead where he stood with a complete pass through shot.
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I guess I'm weird cuz I don't find the recoil of a 45ACP any "worse" than a 9mm. 45 definitely holds a lot less rounds than 9mm but if you're going to carry daily, then you must practice with whatever you handgun you choose. I'm an LEO and my "work' gun is a Glock 22 40S&W and it doesn't kick any more than my Glock 17 9mm. 9mm practice ammo is cheaper than either the 40 or 45. Of course, reloading your own levels that playing field. The main thing is hitting the target while you're under stress.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:36 AM
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Great thoughts guys! Makes a lot of sense.
I have read that the typical gun fight is usually very short in duration. However, since the majority of those that carry concealed do not usually carry spare magazines with them, It makes me more comfortable knowing I've got 15 or 16 rounds at my disposal with my 9mm Glock 19 than the .45 Cal 1911 that I used to own with only have that much fire power. It would be a very uneasy feeling should I get into that less than typical situation where a gun fight seems to go on and on....and I suddenly have no more rocks to thow.
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HarkKnight load that 9mm cal pistol up with ammo called
"POWER R Ball" this ammo is tops in a 9mm cal, we tested it over a year ago in wet news print and it did an awesome job making a large hole and penetrating deep also. The energy of this ammo is also impressive written on the Red Box. This is a company which is owned by COR-BON ammo Company.

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:20 AM
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HarkKnight load that 9mm cal pistol up with Federal's ammo called
"POWER R Ball" this ammo is tops in a 9mm cal, we tested it over a year ago in wet news print and it did an awesome job making a large hole and penetrating deep also. The energy of this ammo is also impressive written on the Red Box.

Thanks for the tip 2Bits! I will look for it at my local ammo dealer.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:23 PM
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I presently own a 9MM Glock 19 that I use for concealed carry.

I have already been lectured by my fellow gun expert friends that I need to be carrying the ultimate which they claim to be the venerable .45 auto. I tend to agree and I'm in fact in the process of saving up the funds for a .45 auto.

However, in the meantime, until this happens I am using Hornandy Critical Defense cartridges with the 115 gr FTX expanding bullets in my 9MM Glock 19.
My friends laugh and say that this is a dangerously underpowered gun and load and that I may as well be using a BB gun.

I disagree with my friends and welcome your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks,

Harkknight
To heck with all of the experts out there. Never be intimidated by the ignorant or under-educated IMO. I've carried the G19 for years. I'm also a fan of the 40S&W caliber in a G23 and G27. The 115gr is something I've never thought about carrying myself. Since I've been carrying a G19 for years, I've found what works best for me and the pistol is Speer GDHP 124gr+P. I practice with 147grFMJ and the recoil is about the same.
Again......none of the experts will be with you when you need to defend yourself. Your defensive ammo caliber and choice of projectiles is only a small part of your ultimate survival. The folks that tell you your pistol and caliber is underpowered don't practice enough. They are essentially armchair quarterbacks. The Glock 19 is the best pistol ever made IMO, and the magazine capacity and available ammo pretty much support that. As far as total horsepower available in the Glock platform.......I do like the 40S&W caliber simply because I tend to shoot it more accurately.
Stick to your G19 and stand up for yourself amongst your less than knowledgeable friends. If all of you want to stop by my place for a few cold ones and some steaks......and more of a debate........just let me know when. I'd be happy to host the GTG.
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HarkKnight load that 9mm cal pistol up with Federal's ammo called
"POWER R Ball" this ammo is tops in a 9mm cal, we tested it over a year ago in wet news print and it did an awesome job making a large hole and penetrating deep also. The energy of this ammo is also impressive written on the Red Box.
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Thanks for the tip 2Bits! I will look for it at my local ammo dealer.
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I believe that Pow'r Ball is a Corbon product:

Glaser Pow'RBall at Dakota Ammo - CORŽBON/Glaser Self Defense and Tactical Gear
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:29 PM
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To heck with all of the experts out there. Never be intimidated by the ignorant or under-educated IMO. I've carried the G19 for years. I'm also a fan of the 40S&W caliber in a G23 and G27. The 115gr is something I've never thought about carrying myself. Since I've been carrying a G19 for years, I've found what works best for me and the pistol is Speer GDHP 124gr+P. I practice with 147grFMJ and the recoil is about the same.
Again......none of the experts will be with you when you need to defend yourself. Your defensive ammo caliber and choice of projectiles is only a small part of your ultimate survival. The folks that tell you your pistol and caliber is underpowered don't practice enough. They are essentially armchair quarterbacks. The Glock 19 is the best pistol ever made IMO, and the magazine capacity and available ammo pretty much support that. As far as total horsepower available in the Glock platform.......I do like the 40S&W caliber simply because I tend to shoot it more accurately.
Stick to your G19 and stand up for yourself amongst your less than knowledgeable friends. If all of you want to stop by my place for a few cold ones and some steaks......and more of a debate........just let me know when. I'd be happy to host the GTG.
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Thanks for your response Ram Rod. I agree, I really love my G19.
I'm the kind of guy that is kind of annal about everything I do and when I decided to begin concealed carry I did a tremendous amount of resarch on which weapon to purchase. I took several months researching many weapons and talking to a lot of people that are in the business of daily concealed carry.

As a result I decided on the G19 for many reasons: 9MM caliber, which is readilly available anywhere and I think it's still the standard for the military. Magazine capacity. I discovered the Glock is the standard side arm for most local and Federal law enforcement agencies and many militaries around the world. No external hammer to mess with or get hung up on clothing. It's slim 1" thick profile and light weight. If you go on line and read about the finishing process on the slide you will find that it is something like 20 times more durable and rust resistant than hard chrome. I like the safety system and lack of buttons and decock levers and all that stuff. Like the safety on a double action revolver.....you point it and pull the trigger. Simple! Also the Glock is hailed as one of the most dependable for feed and mechanical reliability.
Easilly concealled and very comfortable. Last saturday I wore Levi's with a tucked in T-shirt with a military style web belt that I can easilly adjust for slack or tighness, with the Glock simply tucked in my waist band on my left hip in cross-draw fashion for access with my right hand. The barrel slide and trigger guard tucked below belt level with the grip exposed above the belt line. I then concealed with a heavy knit bulky sweater. It held firmly and comfortably all day with no shifting and no need for a holster and was easilly accessable and very easy to remove without hanging up on clothing.
I attended a men's breakfast saturday morning followed by meetings and not one person suspected that I was carrying.

Iowa is not too far from Arkansas.....I might just take you up on those steaks some day.

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