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Old 05-18-2013, 08:28 AM
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Looking for a good Mid-bore cartridge for deer hunting with my contender. Anyone have any input on a 6mm thru 30 cal. cartridge ? Is the 6.8 spc. available for the Contender frame ? Thanks, HD1

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:21 AM
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It's pretty hard to beat the 30-30 in a Contender for deer. It shoots well, recoil's manageable, and shells are really easy to find if you don't reload.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:42 PM
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Rifle or pistol? I had a 23in. 30-30 barrel that would shoot a 150gr. Hornady into less than an inch at 100yrds., "sweet spot" load was easy to find too. For something different, Bulberry offers a 25 Bulberry, a 30-30 necked to 25cal., probably easier to find .257 bullets than 6.8mm.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:27 PM
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It's easier to find .257" bullets than it is .277" bullets?

Most folks looking to get into a Contender are thinking a pistol barrel, typically in a 10" or 14" length. There are so many to choose from and if you're a competent reloader, the options are almost endless. My personal favorite is the 7-30 Waters, but there are dozens of others, depending on what distances you expect to hunt.
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:29 PM
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The above suggestion is a good one, recoil should not be bad and a .284 high B.C. bullet would take care of whatever your needs might be. The 30-30 and 44 Rem mag either in a 14 inch barrel would be a blast to hunt with also.
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Old 05-20-2013, 03:55 PM
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I have a 22 rf, 223 barrel and just got a 375 win barrel. Am now looking for a mid-bore deer/coyote round. Thinking of 6mm ppc or 6.5 Grendal, .... Am wondering what a 30. Carbine round with a pointed 110 gr. bullet looks like out of a 14" barrel . Any thoughts ????
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:46 PM
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Id give the .44mag a good try!
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:07 PM
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I have a 22 rf, 223 barrel and just got a 375 win barrel. Am now looking for a mid-bore deer/coyote round. Thinking of 6mm ppc or 6.5 Grendal, .... Am wondering what a 30. Carbine round with a pointed 110 gr. bullet looks like out of a 14" barrel . Any thoughts ????
I think a 6.5 Creedmoor would do well !
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:19 AM
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Well, the 6.5 Grendel or Creedmoor both run at higher pressures than you can push a Contender to, without trashing the frame. If those appeal to you, the 6.5JDJ is the way to go, and I can tell you from personal experience, you won't be disappointed with it. You could also get the 6.5BRM, but be advised that both are proprietary, and true wildcats, so be prepared to load your own or pay a LOT for custom ammo.

The 30 Carbine, out of a 14" barrel, just makes for a lot of noise and muzzle flash. It's not well-suited for game larger than a coyote, at modest ranges. If you want a 30 caliber, you could do far worse than the 30 Herrett, which is a shortened, improved 30/30 case that delivers comparable performance, with less powder and recoil, out of a 10" barrel. To put it in perspective, the 30 Carbine case has a capacity of 21gr H2O, while the 30 Herrett has a capacity of 35gr, and the original 30/30 holds 44 grains. The straighter walls and sharper shoulder of the shortened 30 Herrett achieves nearly the same velocity as the larger parent case, particularly with bullets of 135 grains or less.

I've got a 14" Contender barrel in 44RM that has been converted to a carbine. In the pistol configuration, with full-house loads, it was a lot of fun to shoot and very accurate. It's not a mid-bore and the effective range was about half what you can get from a 7-30 Waters or a 6.5JDJ.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:28 AM
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I hunt deer, bear and boar with a T/C contender PISTOL.

I prefer short pistol length barrels for hunting so I try to stick to 10 inches. I hunt Bg with 44, 41, 375W, 30 Herret.

Deer are pretty easy to kill. while I have killed about a dozen deer with the 375, I would highly recommend the 41 mag. Best blend of bullet size, bullet weight, and accuracy/recoil.

For a rifle contender, the cartridges are just the same as any other deer rifle. 30-30 for medium to short.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:28 AM
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Thanks for all the input ! I have a 44 mag in a wheel gun and don't really want another one for my contender. I want something with a little longer legs and less bullet dia. I think I'm leaning toward the 7x30, any of the TCU's or perhaps the 6mm PPC. I'll start looking around and see what I can find at a decent price. Thanks again, HD1
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:21 AM
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Every caliber that you can think of comes in a Contender.

I have a friend that swears by his 7-30 Waters. He hunts everything in CO w/it. I haven't talked to him about it in years. But, he quoted me a 294 yd complete penetration shot on antelope w/it. And, he has killed elk w/it.

30-30 shoots almost as flat out of a pistol, as a rifle (pointed bullet almost overcomes the fps difference due to the better ballistic coefficient).

My friend claims that the 7-30 does not kick anything like the .44 mag does.

The issue, do you reload? If not...then the answer is 30-30. If so, then I'd say 7-30 Waters. There was a time when I would have said 6.8spc. But, it does not look like that round is going to really take-off.

BTW, his 7-30 fps is almost up to 1894 Carbine specs.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:35 AM
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Out of the 10 inch Contender ....either 30-30 or 30 Herrett.
The .30-30 is a whole lot easier to find components for or to buy
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:10 PM
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Really in any pistol using rifle cartridges, the question is barrel length. My 30 Herrett is less powder capacity, but is faster than a 30-30 with more powder can do. Un burned powder just acts like a heavier bullet and slows things down.

The best cartridges for a 10" or 12 " barrel is the TCU series, like the 30 Herrett the case capacity is designed for the shorter barrel and give more velocity in a 10-12 inch tube. The 7mm TCU will out perform the 7-30 Waters in the 10-12 inch barrels. When you get to the crbine length pistol barrels like the 14 and 16 inch barrel pistol, then the Waters will gain, as it has some barrel length to burn that powder.

I find my 10 inch Contenders carry very well in a shoulder holster (mine is a T?C custom for 10 inch bbl.

I usually ask people how they intend to carry those long barrels? I hunted with a 10 inch Super Black hawk in 44 mag, it was strictly a day pack carry or carry all day in my hand. Thoughts on picking a barrel length.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:53 PM
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I think I'm looking for another 14" barrel , so they all feel the same in my hands. I've been doing some more poking around today and I think I'd like more info on the wilcat 25 x 357 Max. or maybe the 6.5 x 30 Herret. They look like a good ones, made on easily acquired brass . Anyone out there try them ? HD1
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:44 PM
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I can tell you from personal experience that a 14" 44RM barrel has a much "heavier" recoil than a 14" 7-30 Waters barrel, though the latter might be called "sharper"...if that makes any sense.

I have heard of the 25x357MAX but hadn't seen the 30 Herrett necked down to 6.5mm. Both sound interesting, but frankly, they would be slower than more readily available options, particularly if you're looking at 14" barrels. My 30 Herrett is a 10" barrel and while I suppose it's a little easier to carry around and shoot, it's not like either length can be considered "convenient" and you're certainly going to be shooting either from a solid rest if you want good accuracy. The LER scopes pretty much demand that, but I guess maybe if you're going with open sights you could shoot the 10" barrels better off-hand than the 14" models.

If you're looking into true wildcats like those mentioned above, I can only presume that you are a reloader with at least a fair amount of experience. What that means is the options are almost endless. Check out some of the Contender powerhouses on this page! GNR Wildcat Cartridges

Also, if you're going to shoot a Contender, you owe it to yourself and your gun to spend a few (dozen?) hours reading up on this platform, over at Mike Bellm's site. Mike Bellm - Table of Contents

And if price is no object, I think the very best Contender cartridges were built on the 444 and 225 cases, by JD Jones...a man who has probably designed more Contender wildcats than any other. Contender … | SSK Industries

Please note that I'm not advertising for any of these guys, just listing websites and people I have worked with on my Contenders.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:32 AM
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I assume you know that the 357 mag necked to 25 cal is called the 256 Magnum, and was a standard of Winchester in the 1960. It was not sucessful as it was made mainly in a "quaisi revolver" 8 inch barrel single shot. Marlin had a model 57 lever rifle and that gave very good velocities
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:35 AM
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I find my 10 inch Contenders carry very well in a shoulder holster (mine is a T?C custom for 10 inch bbl.

I usually ask people how they intend to carry those long barrels? I hunted with a 10 inch Super Black hawk in 44 mag, it was strictly a day pack carry or carry all day in my hand. Thoughts on picking a barrel length.
I found that my unscoped Super Blackhawk fits pretty well in a standard Contender shoulder holster.

For carrying a 14" TC try a sling with swivels attached to the forend screw and the grip screw.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:02 AM
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With a razor blade adn some prayers, I cut my leather holsters to accomidate the scope, it rides outside the holster. With my eyes a scope is required at anything beyond 30 yards. The scope cut in the leather doesn't effect my holster strength or the ability to carry non-scoped T?C barrels.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:40 AM
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Thanks for the replies, all good !!! My contender is fitted with sling swivels and sling. It's too big for a holster !!!
I just had a thought.... what about the 25-35 Win. in a Contender ? Heck, I have a rifle in that caliber and already reload for it too. ! I assume the pressure wouldn't be excessive and the accuracy is VERY good !!! Any thoughts ?? HD1
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