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Old 10-14-2004, 08:12 AM
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I'm trying to find out about a revolver that I recently acquired. It is nickel plated and somebody cut the barrel off. I'm assuming at this point that it is a Model 1892. I've been told that it is a new army navy double action made in 1901. There are no military markings anywhere on the weapon. The only markings that I can find are as follows:
‘Colt. D.A. 41’ on left side of barrel.
‘584’ on cylinder latch.
‘137 over 781’ on butt of handle.
‘F. A MFG CO HARTFORD CT USA’ (I assume that ‘Colt P T’ was cut off) and ‘AUG 5 1884 NOV 6 88’ on top of barrel.

Can anyone verify the model and date of manufacture? I'd also like to replace the barrel. Who might have a nickel plated
barrel? I have photos if anyone is interested. My email address is [email protected] Thanks for any help that you can provide. Semper Fi!
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:38 PM
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I'm trying to find out about a revolver that I recently acquired. It is nickel plated and somebody cut the barrel off. I'm assuming at this point that it is a Model 1892. I've been told that it is a new army navy double action made in 1901. There are no military markings anywhere on the weapon. The only markings that I can find are as follows:
‘Colt. D.A. 41’ on left side of barrel.
‘584’ on cylinder latch.
‘137 over 781’ on butt of handle.
‘F. A MFG CO HARTFORD CT USA’ (I assume that ‘Colt P T’ was cut off) and ‘AUG 5 1884 NOV 6 88’ on top of barrel.

Can anyone verify the model and date of manufacture? I'd also like to replace the barrel. Who might have a nickel plated
barrel? I have photos if anyone is interested. My email address is [email protected]. Thanks for any help that you can provide. Semper Fi!
Going to have to dig my blued version out of the safe to complete this, but I'll do it in an edit session.

The 1892 will have odd lockwork...not quite like modern revolvers...there are TWO bolt notches on the cylinder, one where you expect it (except it is long and thin), and a small rectangular notch as well. The job of the little rectuangular notch is to hold the cylinder in place (not rotating) when the hammer is DOWN...the lock at full cock is an odd combination of the hand, the rear bolt notch, and teh cylinder latch...as you cycle the cylinder, will notice the cylinder latch moving back and then forward, it has a "tooth" on it that engages the ratchet.

On the inside, it's considerably differnt than traditonal modern (post 1907) Colt lock work...trust me, you don't want to go in there unelss you absolutly have to.

They did the serial numbers in two lines...it's the one on the butt, near the front of the butt...yours is 137181 (mine is 131661). Are also assembly numbers on the crane, the frame where the crane seats, and the cylinder latch....these numbers match (or did when the gun was assembled).

Bad news is that I know of no barrel replacements...have to haunt the used parts dealers until they take one to pieces and offer a barrel for sale. Try your best to clean up the existing tube...may lead a bit, but even a pitted barrel can offern pretty good accuracy for the first 6-12 shots.

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You may be in luck (but not dirt cheap)...try this site:

http://www.coltparts.com/pt_da92.html
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Yep..my barrel is be marked (in two lines):
Colt's PT F A MFg. C0.
Pat Aug 5. 84 Nov 6,1888 Mar 5, 95

The serial number seems to indicate it's the 1892 "New Army and Navy" (2nd issue) made form 1892 to 1907. IF it has no visiable locking notches on the cylinder at all, then it is probably a 1st issue....they used a locking system like the 1877 Lightening that had a bolt that cloked in from the back of the cyinder, kind of between the chambers).

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Try this site for the date. Doesn't seem like a lot of differnce, but the small amount between your relover and mine seems to be about a year.

http://www.coltparts.com/feature_1.html

Were somne 3" version reported (never seen one), but yours has bee cut off...and proably the nickle plating was added later.

----- Yep...do shoot it. New brass is available from MidWay. That wasn't the case even a couple of years ago, and brass had to be formed/lathed from other cases.

Was designed as a heeled bullet round....the bullet was the dame diameter as the case, with a "heel" (like a long gas-check base) that fit into the case. .22LR's are loaded like that today, but not much else.

After a time, Colt decided taht inside lubricated and seated bullets were teh way to go...but with exisiting .41colts out there, they had to get creative. They started loading a deeply holloe based bullet of .386" diameter...the barrels run closer to .403". An as-cast hollow based bullet will fall through a .41LC barrel..the pressure created at firing bumps up the hollow base and lets the bullet grab rifling and spin.

OF the two, I prefer to work with the lheeled bullets....but eh hollow based bullets are available and are more easily loaded (crimping heeled bullets is a pain).

A friend had two molds made up...and gractiously sent me one...that combines BOTH features. It is a heeled bullet, but the heel is deeply hollow based. So far, this has been the best combination (but only when cast very soft).

Can either use case heeled bullets or hollow based bullets to reload, but stay FAR wasy from any warm smokeless load...the best loads for this old girl have been black powder or Triple Seven. I can blance the low pressure needed with a soft enough bullet to get some smokeless loads to work pretty well (but only with the fast smokeless powders like Bullseye, Red DFot, or 700X), but the acccuracy and velocity records go to Black POowder.

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Old 10-15-2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cmullis
I'm trying to find out about a revolver that I recently acquired. It is nickel plated and somebody cut the barrel off. I'm assuming at this point that it is a Model 1892. I've been told that it is a new army navy double action made in 1901. There are no military markings anywhere on the weapon. The only markings that I can find are as follows:
‘Colt. D.A. 41’ on left side of barrel.
‘584’ on cylinder latch.
‘137 over 781’ on butt of handle.
‘F. A MFG CO HARTFORD CT USA’ (I assume that ‘Colt P T’ was cut off) and ‘AUG 5 1884 NOV 6 88’ on top of barrel.

Can anyone verify the model and date of manufacture? I'd also like to replace the barrel. Who might have a nickel plated
barrel? I have photos if anyone is interested. My email address is [email protected]. Thanks for any help that you can provide. Semper Fi!

Hello Ribbonstone,
Thanks for the great info! You've provided some great web sites and I'm going to try and locate that barrel. By the way, there is another patent date that is faded. It's right after the 'NOV 6 88' date. It starts with 'MA . . .', so it probably is the 'MAR 5 95' date.
If you'd like me to send you the pics. Please let me know.
Thanks again.
Semper Fi,
Craig
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Old 10-15-2004, 02:18 PM
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Hello Ribbonstone,
Thanks for the great info! You've provided some great web sites and I'm going to try and locate that barrel. By the way, there is another patent date that is faded. It's right after the 'NOV 6 88' date. It starts with 'MA . . .', so it probably is the 'MAR 5 95' date.
If you'd like me to send you the pics. Please let me know.
Thanks again.
Semper Fi,
Craig
Sorry...the simple digital camera died, and I've no urge to learn my wife's complicated one. Haven't bothered to load any of the photo programs into this computer; its the only one we go on-line with and it's designed as a super simple/super safe unit...runs on a Linux live CD and we keep this machine un-cluttered (and by doing so, have been virus and worm free).

Kept the old revolver out, is sitting on top of the hard drive right now. You will notce that these old Colt's revolve the "wrong" way...they turn counter clockwise like modern S&W's.

There were one line and two line barrel markings...do not know if there is a definitive date for one tos top and another to start; seems like they kind of over lapped. From your post, seems like yours is either a 1 line (becasue it's cut off) or a two-line that is unreadable (becasue it was over buffed sometime in the past...probably whe it got that plating job).

These are interrsting guns, but not Colt's best effort at handguns. That timing system, using two bolts, kind of suks. If you look closely at the back of the trigger, up high just where it moves into the frame, ther eis actually a sepearte sear being used...the trigger rotates the cylinder, then contacts a seperate sear tahn tripps the release.

The .41LC is a dead-end cartridge...it was pretty much out of date by 1890, heeled bullets had had there day. Did a have better reputation than any of the .38 rounds of the time.

Finding a barrel is going to be either a long search or an expensive one...the $325 price seems high for a revolvers few people collect and even fewer actaully shoot.

Good luck....if I see any "junkers" at local shops, will post.
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