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Old 12-12-2007, 05:01 PM
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10mm vs .41 Magnum


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Ok, first let me say I am a die hard .41 Magnum fan. I shot my dads old model 57 YEARS ago and I instantly fell in love. I'm currently saving my pennies for a Model 657. However, I was able to shoot a Glock in 10mm today.
SO for you guys who are in the know, how does the 10mm compare to the .41 Magnum? Ballistically that is? It seems that the .41M has a bit more recoil.

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Old 12-12-2007, 06:09 PM
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Recoil, and felt recoil are different issues. I sold a .41mag, I bought a 10mm 2 years later w/ the intent of hunting w/ it. 2 different animals. Even though the 10mm is not the equal of a .41, it is close. 10mm Auto drawbacks... heavier, sights don't compare, bullet weight, 180gr is as high as I go.. Plus, 2 more rounds and it still is a great gun. For me a .41 wheelgun w/ a 7" barrel and a Halo sight would be perfect. You can't judge a 10mm's recoil w/ factory loads, they are .40 S&W w/ a push. Mine is very good, but it is .7lb.s heavier than my .45acp 1911's.

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Old 12-12-2007, 06:17 PM
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Basically, the 41mag. has a lot better ballistics with heavier weight bullets (200gr. and over) than the 10mm. 10mm is impressively fast loaded light weight 135's-150's, but IF we had .41 bullets of that weight (which sure aren't a common item) would guess the .41mag. would still be faster (just not as proportionally faster as it is with heavy weights).
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:37 PM
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As we all know numbers don't mean much, it's how it performs on paper/animals that truly counts. Having said that, I did some more digging and it seems that given the same bullet weight or pretty close (10 grn diff) the muzzle energy, bullet drop at 50 and 100 yards and velocity are so close that you almost wouldn't know the difference. I was just curious to hear from guys who have shot both to get some palm of the hand opinions.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:31 PM
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I have both. The Winchester 175 gr silvertips were identical in both. The 41 has the advantage with more weight, but I usually go bigger diameter when I go heavier so it is a non issue for me I do like the 15 round capacity of the 10mm. Not for spray and pray value but for ease of carry.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:30 AM
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Your asking ?'s about terminal performance.

The .41 beats the 10mm every time,with every weight bullet. More pressure,more speed,better ballistics.

I own a Glock 20. In fact it is one of my thick brush hunting pistols. With the proper loads from Double Tap(or handloads),it is what I determined that I needed for my style of hunting.

Spray and pray ??? No,but when you step out of the boat,in the Florida river swamp and find yourself surrounded by angry hogs,the 16 shots with a fairly quick reload will make you feel much better.

I would say this,before you decide on either a .41 revo or a 10mm auto,you need to take a close look at the Double Tap website or the loading manual.

Also......APPLICATION......what will the weapon be used for. -----pruhdlr
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:39 AM
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Good points by all the posters. Get the revolver, I hate chasing brass.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:18 AM
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Truth be told - the 10mm is ballistically almost identical to the .357 Mag (not the .41 mag). You get basically the same velocities with the same bullet weights at the .357.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:24 AM
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In my experience the 41 mag with 210 grain bullets out penetrates the 44 mag with 240 grainers.. The 41 mag is a very good caliber, I have a model 57 (no dash numbers) with a 4" baqrrel and I am very pleased with it
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:09 AM
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Some ballistics off the Double Tap Ammo website, for comparison:

10mm 135gr Nosler JHP 1600fps / 767 ft.lbs. - Glock 20

10mm 180gr. Speer Gold Dot 1300fps / 676ft/lbs- Glock 20

.357 Magnum 180gr WFNGC 1300fps / 4" Ruger GP-100

10mm 230gr. WFNGC 1120fps/ 641 ft./lbs. - Glock 20

Sorry, they don't have any 41 Mag to compare.

The 10mm compares to the 41 like the 45 ACP compares to the 357, for power. The 10mm, loaded to max, is equal to low power or maybe mid-range 41 Magnum.

It really comes down to a choice of gun type: if you are wanting a revolver, get the 41; the 10mm has no advantage in a wheelgun. If you want an auto, then get the 10mm of course. (Unless you want a Desert Eagle in 41 Mag! )

pruhdlr said it right.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:41 PM
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Some ballistics off the Double Tap Ammo website, for comparison:

10mm 135gr Nosler JHP 1600fps / 767 ft.lbs. - Glock 20

10mm 180gr. Speer Gold Dot 1300fps / 676ft/lbs- Glock 20

.357 Magnum 180gr WFNGC 1300fps / 4" Ruger GP-100

10mm 230gr. WFNGC 1120fps/ 641 ft./lbs. - Glock 20

Sorry, they don't have any 41 Mag to compare.

The 10mm compares to the 41 like the 45 ACP compares to the 357, for power. The 10mm, loaded to max, is equal to low power or maybe mid-range 41 Magnum.

It really comes down to a choice of gun type: if you are wanting a revolver, get the 41; the 10mm has no advantage in a wheelgun. If you want an auto, then get the 10mm of course. (Unless you want a Desert Eagle in 41 Mag! )

pruhdlr said it right.
I'll add some. From the Lyman#46 (using a 4" Mod. 57), jackted bullets:
.41mag.....170gr....1507fps...857 FPE+
.41mag.....200gr....1421fps...897 FPE+
.41mag.....210gr....1349fps...849 FPE+
Longer barrels will show a significant gain in vel. and energy, but the 4" is more closely compared to the 10mm autos.

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Old 12-13-2007, 03:04 PM
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From Buffalo Bores web site 41 Mag

<CENTER><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=607 border=2><TBODY><TR><TD width=59>Item No. 16A</TD><TD width=162>265 gr. LWN-GC</TD><TD width=73>1350 fps
1072 ft. lbs.</TD><TD width=144></TD><TD width=115></TD></TR><TR><TD width=59>Item No. 16B</TD><TD width=162>230 gr. SWC (Keith-type)
</TD><TD width=73>1450 fps
1074 ft. lbs.</TD><TD width=144></TD><TD width=115></TD></TR><TR><TD width=59>Item No. 16C</TD><TD width=162>170 gr. JHP</TD><TD width=73>1650 fps
1028 ft. lbs.</TD><TD width=144></TD><TD width=115></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
Check these velocities taken from real guns.
1. 6.5" Ruger
a. Item #16A - 1379 fps
b. Item #16B - 1459 fps
c. Item #16C - 1640 fps

2. 4" S&W Mountain Gun
a. Item #16A - 1310 fps
b. Item #16B - 1370 fps
c. Item #16C - 1551 fps
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:47 AM
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Old 12-14-2007, 11:58 AM
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very interesting data for the big ten! I recall Mike McNett some yrs back done a gel test both with the 10mm .401/ 200grn BTB WFNGC @1300fps avg and the .44 mag with .430dia/ 325grn WFNGC at same velocities and he found the penetration of each bullet to be almost the identical in the ballistic gel. mmmmmmmmh.

My Glock will be my carry anymore here where I live, it is light enough that I won't know it is there. My large wheelguns are basically a tent item when I am in my camp these older days. I offer a suggestion to wannabe gun toters that he should start off with the likes of a .357 mag and shoot till he develops confidence and proficiency with it. Furthermore how many can really handle full house loads in a wheel gun and still be accurate-especially under stress conditions? All the benefits are down the drain if you cannot be effective with the magnums.

Back to the initial question, the difference between the .41 mag and the 10mm(not much to me)-I guess Mike McNett could answer that better. Where is he at? can email him at Double Tap
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Either caliber is good. How it will be used would be the determining factor for me. I've got an auto for a carry gun, but use my heavy weights for hunting. For that I use a Ruger Blackhawk in .41.

Shoving the same .41 round into a Marlin lever gun and it will add another 3-400fps to the maximum loads. My Blackhawk hammers deer at 35 yards, but the rilfe really makes the cartridge come alive!
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